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Sep-18-11
 | | whiteshark: <Shams: How is this different from the Archangel?> I don't think that ...a6/b5/Bb7 is the main plan here. Let's wait and see... :D |
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| Sep-18-11 | | pajaste: Again, some newer line this time in the old Cordel defence, interesting to see how this plays out. |
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Sep-18-11
 | | kellmano: Grischuk half an hour down on the clock already |
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Sep-18-11
| | whiteshark: The <Classical Defence> or <Cordel Defence> (ECO C64), 3...Bc5, is possibly the oldest defence to the Ruy Lopez, and has been played occasionally by former world champion <Boris Spassky> and <Boris Gulko>. White's most common reply is 4.c3, when Black may choose to play <4...f5>, the Cordel Gambit, leading to sharp play, after which 5.d4 is considered the strongest reply. More solid for Black is instead, <4.... Nf6>, when 5.0-0 0-0 6.d4 Bb6 leads to the Benelux Variation. White's principal alternative to 4.c3 is 4.0-0. An alternative for White is the fork trick <4. Nxe5>. Few games have been played with this line, but there is no clear refutation for Black. The name derives from White's play if Black captures the knight: 4. ... Nxe5 5. d4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruy_Lo... |
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| Sep-18-11 | | Resignation Trap: Why not 7 Qe2 ? |
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Sep-18-11
| | whiteshark: [Event "MN/017"]
[Site "corr ICCF"]
[Date "1995.11.15"]
[White "Joao, Nevio (BRA)"]
[Black "Rosenhahn, Eberhard (GER)"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C64"]
[WhiteElo "2530"]
[BlackElo "2355"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. d4 exd4 6. e5 Ne4 7. O-O d5 8. exd6
O-O 9. dxc7 Qxc7 10. Bxc6 bxc6 11. cxd4 Bb6 12. Be3 Bg4 13. h3 Bh5 14. g4 Bg6
15. Ne5 Rad8 16. Qc2 Bxd4 17. Nxg6 Bxe3 18. Qxe4 Bxf2+ 19. Kh1 fxg6 20. Nc3 Qg3
21. Qg2 Qh4 22. Ne4 Bb6 23. Rxf8+ Rxf8 24. Rf1 Rxf1+ 25. Qxf1 h5 
click for larger view<0-1> |
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Sep-18-11
 | | Ulhumbrus: In his programmed instruction book "Chess" Edward Lasker indicates that with a bishop on b5 instead of on c4 White has the option of 8 Bxc6+ bxc6 9 cxd4 inflicting upon Black doubled backward c pawns |
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Sep-18-11
| | kellmano: kellmano: This is sharp. So it's even more annoying for his fans that Gris has used more than half his time on 8 moves. |
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| Sep-18-11 | | devanshking: bet on god gris is gonna lose |
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| Sep-18-11 | | Pyke: <kellmano: This is sharp. So it's even more annoying for his fans that Gris has used more than half his time on 8 moves.> Indeed, the commentators showed lines (just as in the corr. game <Whiteshark> posted), where Black just castles kingside and White takes on c7. As you said, sharp stuff. |
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| Sep-18-11 | | devanshking: 8.....Nxd6 and the e file pin on knight is gone |
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Sep-18-11
| | kellmano: ....Nxe6 has not been seen in this database. |
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| Sep-18-11 | | Resignation Trap: How does Grischuk appear in the live video? Does he seem a bit nervous? |
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Sep-18-11
| | Ulhumbrus: Edward Lasker's remark applies actually to a different position where Black's KB and KN are exchanged for White's QB and QN. In the present case on 8 Bxc6+ bxc6 9 cxd4 Bb6 supports the advance ...c5 although this removes only one of the backward c pawns. 10 Nc3 is worth a look at. |
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| Sep-18-11 | | Pyke: Aww, Svidler doesn't go for it ... |
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| Sep-18-11 | | devanshking: Game prediction: 0-1 |
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| Sep-18-11 | | Baudoin: Peter....Pan |
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| Sep-18-11 | | JoergWalter: good old Pachman says that 8. ... 0-0 is almost forced (sacrificing the c7 pawn). After 8. ... Nd6 9. Bxc6 bc 10. cd Bb6 11. Bg5 f6 12. Re1+ Kf8
13. Bf4 works for white |
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Sep-18-11
 | | Hesam7: I am wondering can 3. ... Bc5 be a regular opening for Black? I have seen it used as a one game opening surprise here and there but don't know any prominent GM that plays it regularly. |
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| Sep-18-11 | | devanshking: Is Gris sleeping for this game?
Svidler is playing so actively while Grischuk is sleeping. The holder of the 2011 world cup: GM Peter Svidler |
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Sep-18-11
| | whiteshark: mainline <8...0-0 9. dxc7 Qxc7 10. cxd4 Nxd4 11. Nxd4 Qb6> as per opening book 
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| Sep-18-11 | | JoergWalter: <hesam7> Spassky played it. |
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Sep-18-11
| | Ulhumbrus: One justification for 9 Bg5 is that as Black's QB has not come out yet the Black Queen can't go to c8 in reply. She is short of squares. |
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Sep-18-11
 | | tpstar: <chessgames.com> Thanks for the live broadcast. =) So far this game supports the theory that Grischuk is a poker player who plays chess rather than a chess player who plays poker. 60 minutes on 8 moves?! Come on. |
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Sep-18-11
| | Hesam7: <JoergWalter: <hesam7> Spassky played it.> Well I meant among contemporary GMs. Also according to CG database Spassky had the position after 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 237 times but he chose 3. ... Bc5 only in 11 games. So it seems to me that he was using as a surprise weapon as well. |
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