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|Oct-10-11|| ||Rook e2: Anand lost in only 25 moves? Until what move was know theory?|
|Oct-10-11|| ||Xeroxx: Black goes down in 25 moves.|
|Oct-10-11|| ||BobCrisp: Why does <Anand> have such trouble with Jewish-Armenians?|
|Oct-10-11|| ||voyager39: <Rook e2> Am not sure but as per Chessok 6.Bxc4 is a rare move and 9.Bg5 is a novelty.|
Disappointed that Anand lost in such a fashion and kudos to Levon for yet another comprehensive victory.
|Oct-10-11|| ||voyager39: Looks like Anand was caught completely unprepared for this one.|
|Oct-10-11|| ||DAVI DE RAFE: anandetta,kali mathiyakkarayo?|
|Oct-10-11|| ||luzhin: After 24...Qb5 Black can hang on in there but Anand clearly missed that after 24...Qf5?? the glorious 25.Rxe6!! wins on the spot. In fact 25.Rxe6!! would also have been the refutation of 24...Nxb4. It's worth noting that the back rank mate theme also would have allowed 23...Re7 to be squelched by 24.Qxc6!!|
|Oct-10-11|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: The CG database agrees that 9.Bg5 is the novelty. 9...Be7 is the stereotypical move following theory after 9.Ne5, but perhaps Black has to try something else; Aronian must have prepared this entire line in the hope, belief, or expectation that Anand would play the routine move. But I can understand why Black would play 9...Be7; that pin does look uncomfortable.|
|Oct-10-11|| ||HeMateMe: Wow! Like a tactical shot from a puzzle book. Pretty rare for a player like Anand to get hit like that.|
|Oct-10-11|| ||eyalbd: OUCH!
Anand should reestablish his killer instincts from Mexico '07 and subsequent WC matches.
He's too peaceful and careful right now. This strategy fails sometimes.
|Oct-10-11|| ||haydn20: The tempo loss 15. ...Qe8 then 16....Qe7 shows that Anand has lost the thread of the position. Nonetheless, 20...g6 might be enough to hold.|
|Oct-10-11|| ||notyetagm: Aronian vs Anand, 2011|
Game Collection: ARONIAN: TACTICAL GENIUS Aronian miniaturizes Anand with 25 Re4xe6! 1-0
|Oct-10-11|| ||voyager39: Possible weak moves by Anand which progressively cause the loss are:- |
17...Rab8 (instead of 17...Rad8)
20...Rg6 (instead of 20...g6)
21...Qa5 (instead of 21...Qe7)
24...Qf5 is a blunder but he was already losing by then.
|Oct-10-11|| ||goodevans: <luzhin: After 24...Qb5 Black can hang on in there...>|
Here's a line that illustrates just how poor Anand's position had become by this stage and that he couldn't really have "hung in there" for much longer:
24 ... Qb5 25 a4 Nxb4 26 Qxc7 Nd5 27 axb5 Nxc7 28 Nf3 Nxb5 29 Ne5 Rf6 30 Rg4 g5 31 hxg5 h5 32 gxf6+ hxg4 33 Rg7+ Kf8 34 Ng6#
|Oct-10-11|| ||Ulhumbrus: Having lost two tempi for development to take a pawn in the opening, the move 9...Be7 loses a third tempo. This suggests that White has enough for the pawn.|
The moves 15...Qe8 and 15...Qe7 lose a fourth tempo for development with the Queen. That may be too much.
Perhaps 15...Qe8 is a mistake. If so, an alternative is 15..Qe7 16 Nd5 Qf7.
However according to Lasker two mistakes are needed to lose a game, so where is the second mistake?
After 17 Qb3, the move 17...Rab8 is a sign that things have gone wrong for Black, and that Black is hoping to hold on. 19...Qb4 concedes d7 to White's Rook and White's Q manages to avoid exchange with tempo.
Perhaps 19...Qb4 is the second and losing mistake. If so, an alternative is 19...Nd8. However even after the first mistake Black will have a difficult game to defend all the way.
This seems a typical game of the open type where Black loses time for development whereupon White gains a winning attack. Anand took a risk, and this time it turned out to be too high.
|Oct-10-11|| ||paulalbert: If I didn't know who the players were, I would have guessed this game was from a Chernev or Tarrasch textbook illustrating how significant gains of tempo and lead in development more than compensate for a lost pawn, resulting in combinative opportunities and a sure win.|
|Oct-10-11|| ||Mr. Bojangles: Anand losing in 25 moves?
Had to believe.
Those who underestimate Gelfand may be in for a huge surprise.
The sheer quality of chess Gelfy produced on 3 separate occasions i.e Mexico 2007, World Cup win 2009 and this year's candidate win will give any chess player dead or alive a run for their money.
And in a match history is irrelevant, it is what quality and pressure one can bring to bear there and then that matters and would tell on one's opponent.
There was a silent but dangerous determination evident in Gelfand on those 3 occasions. One only need to read his interviews to see this.
We shall see...
|Oct-10-11|| ||bronkenstein: +1 mr Boj , but I am afraid that you are speaking to the bunch of Elo hypnotized zombies here =)|
|Oct-10-11|| ||DrMAL: 6.Bxc4 instead of 6.Bg5 was unusual and strong (6.Qc2 also good), maybe surprising but no big deal either way. Anand played good response 6...Nxe4 but after 7.O-O also correct maybe 7...Nxc3 (8.bxc3 Be7) was slightly better. With 8.Qa5+ as in S Halkias vs Fressinet, 2010 white maintains some advantage. 9.Bg5 was thematic this or 9.Ne5 were best, creative play here. Opening serves as very instructive sharp line with good ideas for white in it, both played very accurately. Pawn sac got white big initiative and more than ample compensation. |
15.Rxe5 evaluates as best by computer white gets back pawn but still has some initiative. But 15.Rad1 keeps position sharp, maybe equal but opponent is required to maintain high accuracy. As often happens with new ideas, opponent gets inaccurate from lack of preparation (and from surprise).
Houdini_20_x64: 27/64 08:55 5,921,980,110
0.00 15. ... Qe7 16.Nd5 Qf7 17.Nxf6+ Qxf6 18.b3 Qg6
Anand took different line with 15...Qe8 instead of 15...Qe7 maintaining equality but 17...Rad8 was most accurate move white started getting edge from here. More so for 20...Rg6 instead of 20...g6 in sharp position slight errors count. After third such seemingly small error 21...Qa5 instead of 21...Qe7 white's advantage was probably decisive, Aronian played fabulously here in a way that would do Fischer or anyone else proud.
|Oct-10-11|| ||chessexp: 6-1 Aronian over Anand in classical games.|
|Oct-10-11|| ||M.D. Wilson: Aronian really has the wood over Vishy!|
|Oct-10-11|| ||M.D. Wilson: As World Champion, Anand is more akin to Petrosian (and perhaps Spassky) than Karpov and Kasparov. He certainly hasn't dominated the tournament scene for some time.|
|Oct-10-11|| ||anandrulez: Looks like Anand just can't move the woods properly vs Levon . A miniature vs Anand from Aronian - sigh ! The opening was a catastrophe , he was down a pawn right after the opening . Maybe he could have defended accurately by not wasting tempo Qe8 Qe7 ? Why not Qd7 directly ? Strange play from Vishy , he tends to fall like a pack of cards when he is playing Levon sometimes .|
|Oct-10-11|| ||Gilmoy: Heh! We just saw this theme last week.
Oct 02: White hangs two on Black's WBR. Bacrot vs Mamedyarov, 2011, 1-0 without needing to see the (unplayed) forcing continuation 32.Rf6 Qxe5
33.Nxf7+ Rfxf7 34.Rxf7:
click for larger view
Oct 10: White hangs one on Black's WBR. <24..Qf5? 25.Rxe6>:
click for larger view
Weak back rank trumps all en prise!
|Oct-11-11|| ||Asap123: Vishy should thank his stars for not having Aronian to face in the WC match. It looks like Levon can give a pawn odd and still roast Vishy.|
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