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|Oct-10-12|| ||beenthere240: 27...hxg6 is better (capture toward the center)|
|Oct-10-12|| ||Castleinthesky: 1/2 credit for me. I saw Bd4, but only worked out winning a piece and a number of pawns, I didn't see the mate.|
|Oct-10-12|| ||James D Flynn: White is up a piece for a pawn but his B on e3 is pinned and 3 times attacked and once defended. However, Blacks back rank looks vulnerable, he probably just moved the R on c3 to attack that B because 28,,,, Q xe3 could be answered by 29,Qxe3 Rxe3 30.Rd8 leads to mate.
That vulnerability can now be exploited by 29.Bd4 because Qxe4+ 30.Rxd4 Rxe2 31.Rd8 Re8 32.Rxe8# and 29……Qxe2 30.Rxg7+ Kh8 31.Rxg6+ Qe5 32.Bxe5 Rxe5 33.Rd8+ Re8 34.Rxe8#. If Black tries 29…Qb8 30.Rxg7+ still mates so 29.Bd4 Qxd4+ 20.Rxd4 R3e8 avoids the immediate mate but leaves White up a Q for a pawn.|
|Oct-10-12|| ||inmate5: A pity that Zagorskis did not conclude with 31. Rf8. He must have been in horrible time trouble - 31. Rg6 is a blunder, from an aesthetic point of view ;)|
|Oct-10-12|| ||paulalbert: Saw Bd4 right away and that Rxg7ch is the killer after Qxe2, but saw Qxd4 is check so had to make sure all the variations worked. Instructive illustration of how to exploit back rank weakness.|
|Oct-10-12|| ||kevin86: Forget about winning the queen! White will mate with the rook at f8,following the diagonal checks.|
|Oct-10-12|| ||ajax333221: <inmate5> I think 31.Rf8 takes more time to mate|
|Oct-10-12|| ||inmate5: <ajax333221> That's correct, 31.Rf8 takes one move longer than 31.Rg6 - at least if you count kamikaze interposition as a move, otherwise it is one move shorter ;)|
I like 31.Rf8 (today) because of its simplicity (it frees the way for the bishop), because of its shock effect and because of the large material deficiency. But there should be some minus points as well as it does take one move longer.
|Oct-10-12|| ||stst: The Black Q & R are in position ready for a fork by a B, thus
31.Re7 dis+ Kg8
34.Ra1 etc ... the rest should be easy for W, up one B.
|Oct-10-12|| ||stst: oops, miss the easy kill Rxg6 in between!!|
|Oct-10-12|| ||Once: The problem with 31. Rf8 from an aesthetic point of view is that it uses exactly the same mating technique as the immediate 31. Rxg6+. After 31. Rf8 Rxf8, white has no choice other than to play 32. Rxg6+|
Instead of showering the board with gold coins, the onlookers are more likely to grumble that white had overlooked the clean mate when it was first possible, and only saw it one move later.
|Oct-10-12|| ||chrisowen: A braving assualt queen beeline for e3 in ford river bishop lighted |
d4, stuporific rook c3 to engage on e3 allows ground for bishop
skewer e5 rook shouldnt have left the backing of re8 now gambled
along g7 axis for ax cocked hat in here damage done et tu brute d4
envisions 29...Qxe2 instead Qxd4 nah in revere ques up in still
threatening mates say 30.Rxg7+ in gag harangue in really it rookc3
or bet in fxg6 i think to hg6 in stop it clean up f8 in king barrier
f7 queen mundane sac king shift in h8 after einen Qxe2 30.Rxg7+ the
great ad lib in suttle d4 long bone it's wallow in king hemimelia
definately ar route am inclined just about Rxg6+ too juxtapositions
right rooke5? or e2 mind you both am loosing as f1 provide f8 in at
evermore dog in dig roof8#
|Oct-10-12|| ||inmate5: <once> Well, what can I say? I don't want grumbling onlookers, so I think I have no other choice than to adapt my formula for beauty.|
On the other hand, I do agree that the mating methods are similar, but not identical. Both ways make misuse of the overworked black rook on e8 that at the same time has to defend f8 and the queen on e5. But the move order is different: White first takes the queen and then gives mate on f8, or white first checks on f8 and then takes the queen. Unfortunately, in the latter case, the black rook ends up on f8 from where it can interpose on f6, which makes the mating line one move longer and the onlookers grumble.
I also would like to make misuse of the opportunity to say that I always read your posts with much pleasure. Once, you should bundle them into a POTD chess calendar.
|Oct-10-12|| ||David2009: Quick-look today: I spotted Bd4 etc. (the game variation) and left it there (looking at the game without composing a Notepad analysis). I was curious to know how Crafty End Game Trainer would defend. Here's the puzzle position
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and link to the EGT: http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t....
Against me, the resilient robot postpones mate for 18 moves starting 29.Bd4 Qxd4+ 30.Rxd4 Rcc8 31.Qb5 Kh8 32.Rdf4 Rg8 33.Qxb7 h6 34.Qxc8 etc. - can you find a faster mate?
|Oct-10-12|| ||agb2002: White has a bishop for a pawn.
Black threatens 29... Q(R)xe3.
A simple idea is to counterattack with 29.Bd4:
A) 29... Qxe2 30.Rxg7+ Kh8 31.Rxg6+ Qe5 (31... Re5 32.Rf8#) 32.Bxe5+ Rxe5 33.Rf8#.
B) 29... Qxd4+ 30.Rxd4 + - [Q vs P] (30... Rxe2 31.Rd8+ Re8 32.Rxe8#).
C) 29... Qa5 30.Qxe8#.
D) 29... Re3 30.Qxe3 + -.
E) 29... Qb8 30.Rxg7+ Kh8 31.Rxg6+ and mate in two.
|Oct-10-12|| ||db5500: Can black defend himsefl with 29.... Re7?|
|Oct-10-12|| ||inmate5: <db5500> No, unfortunately. After 29 Bd4 Re7, white can for example play 30. Rd8 Re8 31. Qe5 and mate next move on g7 or e8.|
|Oct-10-12|| ||Moonwalker: I went for 31. Rf8+ Rxf8 (forced) 32. Rxg6+ (discovered) Qe5 33. Bxe5+ Rf6 34. Bxf6#|
Whilst I see now that Rxg6+ works one move earlier, I still like my line better! Something about a rook and a bishop overpowering a queen and two rooks AND delivering mate!
Or maybe it's just my excuse for failing to see the shortest path to victory!
|Oct-10-12|| ||TheTamale: Ugh, I would have got this one except that I didn't see how 29)... Qxd4+ lead to ruin. Had I more confidence in my ability to find a correct answer in my first place, I might have thunk it through a little better.|
|Oct-10-12|| ||LucB: Son of a gun... I actually got this!|
|Oct-10-12|| ||waustad: Getting a Wednesday puzzle isn't as good as getting a weekend one, but it beats the "Duh" that I sometimes do on Monday or Tuesday.|
|Oct-10-12|| ||Abdel Irada: <David2009>: That is an interesting challenge, and one I wish I could take you up on. Unfortunately, because of browser issues, I can't use the Crafty Endgame Trainer.|
I do, however, suggest a slightly different line of play: After 29. ♗d4, ♕xd4†; 30. ♖xd4, ♖cc8, I prefer to continue 31. ♖e4, ♖ed8; 32. ♖e7, ♔h8; 33. ♕e5, ♖g8; 34. ♖1f7, when it appears that Black's defenses will soon collapse.
Would you be able to try that line against the Endgame Trainer and let me know if it wins faster?
|Oct-10-12|| ||Phony Benoni: Normally, it's considered a sign of respect--not to mention efficiency--to pass up a pretty mate in four for a dull mate in three. But I've known players who actually prefer that you play the longer mate so they can show you the shorter one after the game. Moral victories may not count, but they are comforting.|
So I usually play the shorter mate on the happy occasion when I have a choice. Assuming I see it, of course. But there are times I would be sorely tempted. And I do mean tempted.
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This game is actually in the database, but I don't feel like embarrasing White at the moment. He is really a much better player than this, and once beat me in a tournament. (As if that proves anything.) This just wasn't his day.
Black, being that rare combination of Master and Nice Guy that he is, put White out of his agony immediately with 41...Nh2+, with 42...Re1# to follow. Personally, I don't know if I could have resisted 41...Re1+!! 42.Kxe1 Kg2!!
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Some time in the future, Black will play ...Nf3+, follow White's move Kd1 with ...Kf1, and then count to fifty before plopping his knight onto f2 with mate.
Yes, that would be brutal, cruel, sadistic, and totally unnecessary. I would have found it hard to resist anyway.
|Oct-10-12|| ||M.Hassan: <db5500:Can black defend himsefl with 29.... Re7?>|
|Oct-11-12|| ||inmate5: <M.Hassan>
29. Bd4 Re7
30. Rd8 Re8
31. Re8 Qe8
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