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Nov-20-11
 | | Willem Wallekers: 46 ... b3 47. Ne5+ Kd5! 48. Rxc3 bxa2! with winning chances for black. |
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Nov-20-11
 | | moronovich: in this position after b3-Ne5+ the black king goes to d5 and not b4 |
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Nov-20-11
 | | Ulhumbrus: <Stonehenge: <Ulhumbrus> I guess 46...b3 47 Ne5+ Kb4 48 axb3 is a draw?> It gains a tempo for the N but it may be insufficient to save the game if Black's K can hold on to the e4 pawn from d3 eg 48...Kxb3 49 Rxc3+ Kxc3 50 Nxg4 Rg1 51 Kf2 Ra1 52 Ne5 Ra2+ 53 Kf1 Ra5 54 Nf7 Kd3 |
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Nov-20-11
 | | sbevan: GM Sokolov's comments on the game at:
http://www.chessdom.com/tal-memoria... |
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Nov-20-11
 | | Marmot PFL: could be wrong, but position P e3 and g4, Nf2 and K e2 or d2 looks defensible. but maybe it could be broken |
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Nov-20-11
| | Ulhumbrus: <Marmot PFL: could be wrong, but position P e3 and g4, Nf2 and K e2 or d2 looks defensible. but maybe it could be broken> The N on f2 keeps Black's out of d3 so that he can't attack the e3 pawn. This could work, although it warrants a look at. That suggests that Black will want White's King on f2 to block that square for the N |
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Nov-20-11
| | moronovich: Ra1 indicates that Carlsen consider the pos with R vs knight as a fortress.Still Magnus pos is more fun to play than Ivanchuks |
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Nov-20-11
| | Marmot PFL: another plan, Kb5-a4-a3 is too slow, white has Nf4-d5 forking B and p. |
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Nov-20-11
 | | talisman: <Dom> thanks... f4 now? |
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Nov-20-11
 | | Domdaniel: 48.Ne5+ is still annoying.
The last time the Black Rook was on the a-file, I wondered if the sac ...Rxa2 led anywhere. It seems even less promising now. |
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Nov-20-11
| | moronovich: Funny to see Chucky talking to himself..but this year he doesnt wear THE MASK;) |
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Nov-20-11
| | Ulhumbrus: Ivanchuk has not tried 48 Ne5+ Kd5 49 Nxg4, possibly because after 49...Rh1 the N has no moves |
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Nov-20-11
| | Marmot PFL: g4 is too far away, the knight need to be able to help out on the queen side |
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Nov-20-11
| | Domdaniel: Tricky things. I played a R-vs-B and pawns match game yesterday that took me far too long to win. Had to return the Exchange for a won pawn ending. These guys don't crack so easily. Well, sometimes Chuky cracks ... but *magnificently*, never easily. |
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Nov-20-11
| | Ulhumbrus: The move ...Rb2 may be insufficient to won, because although Black can win the a pawn after White wins the e pawn, White may be able to give his N up for the a pawn and win the remaining g pawn with his King |
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Nov-20-11
| | Ulhumbrus: I am off for now. My present guess is that Black will win if he tries the move ...b3 at a right moment( eg now, 50..b3 instead of 50...Rd6) but will draw otherwise. |
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Nov-20-11
 | | whiteshark: It seems that <51... Kb5> with the king's manouvre suggested by <moronovich<>> would have worked here: <52.Kf2 Ka4 53.Kf1 Ka3 54.Ke2 Bb2 55.Rc4 Bc3 56.Rxe4 Rd2+ 57.Kf1 Kxa2> winning the a |
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Nov-20-11
| | Willem Wallekers: Where I live we have an expression "milking the position". |
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Nov-20-11
| | Domdaniel: This is an interesting try by Magnus. White King can't approach queenside, due to ...Rd6+ and ...Rd2+ winning. Meanwhile, the Rook covers key Knight squares and supports the Bc3, leaving the King free to penetrate on the a-file. I think it may work. |
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Nov-20-11
| | Ulhumbrus: Back again. So his King has headed for a3, or taken a start towards it, anyway. |
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Nov-20-11
| | Ulhumbrus: <Willem Wallekers: Where I live we have an expression "milking the position".> Tarrasch has another expression, too, "Playing to lose". Carlsen had better not go too far |
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Nov-20-11
| | Domdaniel: "Milking the stone cow" is another.
But this stone cow is a fine piece of sculpture. |
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Nov-20-11
| | Ulhumbrus: One sequence is 42 Nxc3+ bxc3 43 Kd1 Kc4 44 Kc2 Rd5 45 Rd1 Rd3! |
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Nov-20-11
| | Ulhumbrus: The N has withdrawn. Perhaps his King will go to a4 now. |
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Nov-20-11
 | | Strongest Force: White wants the win |
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