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|Nov-25-11|| ||Morten: This looks like something that could simplify very quickly.|
|Nov-25-11|| ||whiteshark: Btw, within his 15 moves Aronian has won 14 minutes of time increments.|
|Nov-25-11|| ||marcwordsmith: <Morten> I am curious why you say that. It looks to me like anything can happen, depending on what the players are up for.|
|Nov-25-11|| ||Peligroso Patzer: In one sense, Nepomniachtchi is trying to do against Aronian what Aronian himself did in this game: Leko vs Aronian, 2006, i.e., win (as a new star in his early twenties on the international stage of elite players) a critical last-round encounter against an established member of the elite (which Leko still was when that game was played nearly six years ago).|
Some significant differences: (1) at Linares 2006, Aronian and Leko began the final round on identical tournament scores (7.5/13, part of a four-way tie for the lead that also included Radjabov and Topalov, each of whom got a draw in the final round); (2) Leko was trying to bounce back from a difficult loss in the previous round, whereas Aronian had a brilliant win yesterday; and (3) Aronian won the above-linked game (and rather convincingly) with the black pieces.
|Nov-25-11|| ||Morten: marcwordsmith; It just seems to me that simplifications are difficult to avoid if one of the players wants them.|
|Nov-25-11|| ||Peligroso Patzer: <Morten: marcwordsmith; It just seems to me that simplifications are difficult to avoid if one of the players wants them.>|
... except in those cases where they are difficult to achieve if one of the players wants to avoid them ...
|Nov-25-11|| ||Strongest Force: Speaking of smack talk, Aronian can talk his share. He once told me on icc that he could beat 1000 Emory Tates at the same time. I think Tate is a IM.|
|Nov-25-11|| ||marcwordsmith: we can only hope that both players are of a mind to avoid simplifications today . . .|
|Nov-25-11|| ||marcwordsmith: no kidding, <Strongest Force>. Sorry to hear it. Levon Aronian has long struck me as possibly the most amicable of the super grandmasters, and his disarming interviews have made me a fan.|
|Nov-25-11|| ||Ulhumbrus: What's this? Have they begun playing already? I suppose the last round began early.|
|Nov-25-11|| ||marcwordsmith: excuse me, folks, is White sac'ing a pawn here? Aronian can play Bxc3 followed by Nxd5, yes?|
|Nov-25-11|| ||Peligroso Patzer: <Strongest Force> Yes, Emory A Tate is indeed an IM and five-time U. S. Armed Forces Chapion. Perhaps Aronian knows about him from this game: Yermolinsky vs E Tate, 2001, not exactly Exhibit A to burnish Tate's reputation.|
In any case, although Tate is a strong player by most standards, he is not likely ever to be one of Aronian's rivals at elite international events, so the curious remark you quote is not exactly alarming smack talk by my lights.
|Nov-25-11|| ||Ulhumbrus: After 20 Bxc3 are we going to see an example of the famous double bishop sacrifice? eg 20 ...Nxd5 21 Bxh7+ Kxh7 22 Qh5+ Kg8 23 Bxg7 Kxg7 24 Qg5+ The trouble is that here the Black king can escape to f8|
|Nov-25-11|| ||Strongest Force: <marcwordsmith> there is nothing wrong with a little smack talk. It makes the chess more interesting.|
|Nov-25-11|| ||Ulhumbrus: On 20 Bxc3 Nxd5 21 Be5! White may have more than adequate attacking prospects in return for the pawn after Qg4 or Qh5. Whether he does remains to be seen.|
|Nov-25-11|| ||marcwordsmith: <ulhumbrus> Off the cuff it looks like the move g6 (after Black gets his queen out from under fire) would deflect all mate threats for at least quite a while.|
<Strongest Force> The following is what I call big smack talk (and by the way, Naka and Carlsen are playing right now, as you probably know).
Carlsen: "I noticed that Kasparov has spoken in a neutral fashion and has tried to play down the collaboration. He probably hoped that Nakamura would produce better performances before the collaboration was made public. After all, since the nice win at Tata, Nakamura has not achieved very much . . . I've had very good resaults against Nakamura in the period since Kasparov has been his trainer. I think Nakamura has made and will make more progress as a result, but right now there are four to five players in the world, including me, who have significantly better understanding of chess than Nakamura. And I don't know if even a man like Kasparov can change that in the short term."
|Nov-25-11|| ||marcwordsmith: oops. Then again, <Ulhumbrus>, maybe not, because White can move Qh5-h6 and then Black would have to play, I think, f6, and White can sac his bishop on g6 and . . . oof. Could get nasty, I suppose.|
|Nov-25-11|| ||marcwordsmith: But hey, we WILL see! Hooray! Not so simple!|
|Nov-25-11|| ||Strongest Force: That is smack talk of a high order from the great Magnus. Good for him.|
|Nov-25-11|| ||Peligroso Patzer: <marcwordsmith> I am not sure I would describe the quote from Carlsen in your post as "smack talk" at all. It is stated in dignified language, is all essentially factually indisputable, and includes a complimentary reference to Nakamura's win at Wijk aan Zee, as well as a prediction of further progress by him in the longer term.|
|Nov-25-11|| ||marcwordsmith: All right, no one will believe me, but I was going to suggest the exchange sac on move 21 as a possibility. I just feared I was posting too much. <Pelligroso> your point is well taken about Carlsen's dignified comments, but I am sure Naka was quite provoked all the same and that Carlsen probably would have expected that.|
|Nov-25-11|| ||Ulhumbrus: On 25 h4 threatening 26 h5 and 27 h6 Black's QB is tied to the defence of the f5 pawn|
|Nov-25-11|| ||marcwordsmith: Anybody who's not looking at any engines right now care to handicap this game??|
|Nov-25-11|| ||Ulhumbrus: <marcwordsmith: All right, no one will believe me, but I was going to suggest the exchange sac on move 21 as a possibility.> I suggest that many will believe you, as it probably crossed the minds of many.|
|Nov-25-11|| ||marcwordsmith: <Ulhumbrus> Oh good! Thanks.|
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