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Magnus Carlsen vs Vladimir Kramnik
London Chess Classic (2011)  ·  Nimzo-Indian Defense: Romanishin Variation. English Hybrid (E20)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Dec-06-11
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  Shams: Either Naiditsch is getting paid by the punctuation mark or Anand-Naka is really a Blunder-palooza.
Dec-06-11
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  chancho: Wow, Naka looks to be winning now.
Dec-06-11
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  Domdaniel: <Shams> - < getting paid by the punctuation mark > Not *that's* an idea. Of course, like all hacks, he'd get more for a "??" than a "!!" - bad news sells.

Though maybe "?!" would be better ... always keep 'em guessing. And conceal your own ignorance, if possible.

Dec-06-11
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  Kinghunt: Why is Nakamura hesitating to take on f2? It seems to me to be a clear tactical sequence: take on f2, then on f3, with a clearly winning position. What could be spooking him?
Dec-06-11
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  Domdaniel: And fines for typos.
I meant "Now that's an idea" ...
Dec-06-11  Ulhumbrus: Luke McShane and David Howell are in the commentary box. Here is the link: http://www.livestream.com/LondonChe...
Dec-06-11
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  chancho: Beating Aronian AND Anand.

That's huge.

Dec-06-11
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  Domdaniel: Naka won, though Anand's engine eval was +5 at one point? Crazy.

So it wasn't a sequence of draws after all. It was a run of non-wins.

Dec-06-11  BadKnight: Swindler of the tournament!
Dec-06-11
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  waustad: Rest day tomorrow.
Dec-06-11
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  Domdaniel: I was premature last time, but now Anand has conceded. I think.
Dec-06-11
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  twinlark: Anand has conceded.
Dec-07-11  firebyrd: In the video commentary, addressing the position at around move 34 when Rooks are off, Kramnik states that if he <didn't> have the pawn on d5 it would be easy draw, but he sees some problems if it stays on.

Does anyone get what problems this pawn can cause for black?

Dec-07-11  polarmis: <firebyrd>, the pawn on d5 gets in the way of Black's light-squared bishop - e.g. it can't control a8 (where White might try to queen a pawn), or defend the pawn on f7 from a distance.
Dec-07-11  kappertjes: <Shams: <They clearly have respect for each other.>

Although it has been reported that Carlsen dislikes Kramnik, which to me seems hard to believe.>

If I am not mistaken MC said that Kasparov really loathes Kramnik and when working with him it is hard to not have such feelings rub off on you. I suspect Magnus is by character a lot less personal, or more detached, than Kasparov. I think therefore he is at this point in time just fine with Kramnik. I sure hope so anyway because I like both of them.

Dec-07-11  King Death: < Domdaniel: ..like all hacks, he'd get more for a "??" than a "!!" - bad news sells. Though maybe "?!" would be better ... always keep 'em guessing. And conceal your own ignorance, if possible.>

In my early playing days, Reinfeld was a big seller and his books were loaded with !! and ???

There's an old saying: if you can't dazzle em with brilliance, baffle em with bulls**t.

Dec-07-11
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  lost in space: ahhh, this is way to escape the censorship of CG: instead of @#$%*&!# just bulls**t.

Great to know.

Dec-07-11
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  moronovich: And the AJway,lot of caps,flamethrowers,!!!! and ????.

Like a donut.A whole with hype around it.

Dec-07-11  King Death: <moronovich> Not to mention a few more, in case you missed the first batch. Now that you mention it, he probably learned from Reinfeld.
Dec-07-11
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  lost in space: having said that, I originally was here to say, that I heard the comments of Kramnik and Carlsen to this game.

Kramnik felt very unpleasent with his position and he expressed his feeling of being close to lost at the early middle game. White's Bd4 is a monster and he can do nothing to stop the march of the pawns on the kingside. Even a mate (after 31. f4 Rxh6) would have been posible.

Here the link: http://www.livestream.com/LondonChe...

Dec-07-11  Ulhumbrus: <firebyrd: In the video commentary, addressing the position at around move 34 when Rooks are off, Kramnik states that if he <didn't> have the pawn on d5 it would be easy draw, but he sees some problems if it stays on. Does anyone get what problems this pawn can cause for black?> One conceivable guess is that in the absence of a d pawn Black's bishop can use the long diagonal to keep back a passed White a pawn. However Kramnik may have had something else in mind. His commentary is probably available somewhere.
Dec-07-11
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  visayanbraindoctor: <lost in space: Kramnik felt very unpleasent with his position and he expressed his feeling of being close to lost at the early middle game. White's Bd4 is a monster and he can do nothing to stop the march of the pawns on the kingside.>

Kramnik might have missed something in his preparation. The bishops of opposite colors, with rooks and a Kingside pawnroller, might even work for White's advantage in the classical sense that the attacking side is attacking essentially with one piece up. White could also easily create and exploit weaknesses on either wing.

Kramnik's openings so far in this tournament have not been auspicious. However, his middlegame and endgame play here have been impressive. He correctly assessed his position as critical, exchanged pawns on the Kingside in order to evade a stranglehold, maneuvered his rook into the best rank where it could guard holes and still be active, judged his d-pawn worse than useless and got rid of it, all of which bespeak of a true and profound understanding of the position. After a bad opening, he might have done everything as well as could be done. A weaker master probably would have been toast against Carlsen.

Nevertheless, I wonder if Carlsen missed an objective win somewhere here.

Dec-07-11  Ulhumbrus: <visayanbraindoctor ..Nevertheless, I wonder if Carlsen missed an objective win somewhere here.> One chance to win may have come at move 37 where instead of 37 Kxd5 White could have tried 37 a4 beginning the plan of b4, b5 and a5 in reply to ...axb5
Dec-07-11  whithaw: So funny to hear players on chessgames make such harsh criticisms of 2700-2800 players, which understand, in a glance, what would take us hours to fathom, if at all.
Mar-02-12  Penguincw: A few days later, Ponomariov vs P H Nielsen, 2011 copied right up to move 16.
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