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|Dec-10-11|| ||Calar: Does anyone know if Howell resigned or lost on time?|
In any case, Howell should really work on his time managment. His losses against Carlsen, Kramnik and Nakamura were all similar: he gets in horrible time trouble for the last 10 or so moves and thus overlooks best moves he needed to draw (or at least to put up some resistance).
|Dec-10-11|| ||Paint My Dragon: I think we need to appreciate that Howell is a full-time college kid, who's more than a little rusty right now, having not played much this year. Of course, poor form and a lack of practice are likely to be exposed at the LCC, so his nervous play and dodgy clock handling are probably to be expected.|
The good news is that he has pledged to take up chess when he graduates, rather than quitting or following the McShane/Sadler amateur route. The bad news is that he will probably be replaced by Gawain Jones at next year's LCC - Gawain is headed for 2650+ right now, whereas David's rating could plummet to 2600 or worse. Who knows, Sadler may also be in the frame, as his rating and results are on a similar path to Gawain's.
|Dec-11-11|| ||lost in space: After a long search I found this winning line for White (not complete as not all side lines analyzed):|
40...Qf1+ 41. Kxf1 Qa6+ 42. Kg2 Rxc8 43. Nd4 Kh7 44. Kh1 Rg8 45. Nf5 Qc8 46. Qb1 Qc7 47. Nd6+ Kh8 48. Qb3 Qxa7 49. Nxf7 Kh7 50. Qc2+ g6 51. Nd6 Kh8 52. hxg6 Rxg6 53. Nf5 Qxe5 54. Nh4 Qe6 55. Qxg6+ Qxg6 56. Nxg6 Kxg6 and this is 1:0
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But there are a lot of alternatives for Black (esp. moves 43,44 are not at all forced)
|Dec-11-11|| ||visayanbraindoctor: <lost in space> In general, do your winning lines involve White sacrificing his a-pawn in exchange for one of black's Kingside pawns and threats to the black King?|
|Dec-11-11|| ||polarmis: Shipov gave the win: 40…Qf1+! 41.Kxf1 Qa6+ 42.Kg2 Rxc8 43.Nd4! Kh7 44.Kh2 Rg8 45.Nf5 Qa2 46.Kg1 Qa1+ 47.Kg2 Qa3 48.Qb7 Qa2 49.Ne7 Rf8 50.Nd5 Qa5 51.Nb6 Qxe5 52.Nd7, but it's weird that's Howell's second resignation (if he resigned) in a position that's tricky to win. Kramnik got a bit carried away with the idea of allowing Black two queens...|
|Dec-11-11|| ||visayanbraindoctor: If white still has a winning position, then objectively it is not a blunder, as it does not give the win away. However, humanly it is a grave mistake. I think the game probably would have ended in a draw if Howell found the right continuation and Kramnik got rattled afterwards.|
|Dec-11-11|| ||polarmis: I don't think so - Black's always on the edge of the abyss and can't really get active with the pawn on a7 - so Kramnik would almost certainly have won eventually (the win above's against perfect computer play, but Howell would most likely blunder at some point). It seems to be more a question of how many moves it takes, as there are different ways of avoiding Black's checks.|
|Dec-11-11|| ||lost in space: <<visayanbraindoctor:> <lost in space> In general, do your winning lines involve White sacrificing his a-pawn in exchange for one of black's Kingside pawns and threats to the black King?>|
Yes, at least so far. I am still looking for a more convincing way to win for White (and I think I am close to it)
|Dec-12-11|| ||visayanbraindoctor: <polarmis: I don't think so - Black's always on the edge of the abyss and can't really get active with the pawn on a7 - so Kramnik would almost certainly have won eventually (the win above's against perfect computer play, but Howell would most likely blunder at some point). It seems to be more a question of how many moves it takes, as there are different ways of avoiding Black's checks.|
lost in space:
Yes, at least so far. I am still looking for a more convincing way to win for White (and I think I am close to it)>
Seeing the way Kramnik fought it out against McShane, his resourcefulness in defense and his propensity to seek out lines that kept the game alive and gave him winning chances, I now believe that Vlad would have eventually won this game against Howell, notwithstanding his grave mistake.
The post 2008 WC match Kramnik does not give up easily anymore.
|Dec-12-11|| ||al wazir: 40...Qf1+!! 41. Kxf1 Qa6+ 42. Kg2 Rxc8 43. Nd4 Rf8! And now if 44. Nb5, then 44...Qc6+ 45. Kh2 Qa8!. If instead first 43. Kh2, then 43...Rf8 44. Nd4 Qa2, threatening Qxf2+, etc.|
So white has to try something else: 42. Kf1 Rxc8 43. Nd4. If now 43...Rf8, then 44. Nb5 is a real threat: 44...Qa1+ 45. Kg2 Qa4 46. Nc7 Qe4+ 47. Kh2 Qe2 (what else is there?) 48. Qxf8+ Kxf8 49. a8=Q+, winning.
And if 43...Qa1+ 44. Kh2 Qa6, black has lost a tempo: 45. Nb5 Qc6 46. Nc7 Qxc7 47. Qxc7 Rxc7 a8=Q+.
|Dec-12-11|| ||FSR: <al wazir: 40...Qf1+!! 41. Kxf1 Qa6+ 42. Kg2 Rxc8 43. Nd4 Rf8! And now if 44. Nb5, then 44...Qc6+ 45. Kh2 Qa8!>|
46.Qxa8 Rxa8 47.Kg2 Kf8 48.Kf3 Ke7 49.Ke4 Kd7 50.Kd5 looks winning for White.
|Dec-16-11|| ||kingscrusher: Just to clarify the situation here - did either player say in the post commentary of this game that they saw the Qf1 resource in the final position?!|
|Dec-16-11|| ||bronkenstein: <kingscrusher: Just to clarify the situation here - did either player say in the post commentary of this game that they saw the Qf1 resource in the final position?!> No, IIRC it wasnt even mentioned. Vlad seemed to be completely clueless of that tactical blow , and Howell prematurely resigned for the second time in this tournament (first one being against Magnus) - he kinda wanted to end the suffering ASAP in both games , really weak nerves/low fighting spirit IMO.|
|Dec-16-11|| ||Everett: <kingscrusher> I expect an educational video out of this one! Well, only if you want to. Thanks for the great work over the years.|
|Dec-16-11|| ||kingscrusher: <Everett> I have two videos relevant for this game:|
Kramnik's recent wins in London Classic
The beginning of Truth and the end of Empathy
|Dec-16-11|| ||Sink: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=136j...|
|Dec-17-11|| ||kingscrusher: <Sink> Thanks for that - absolutely fascinating analysis by Kramnik.|
|Dec-17-11|| ||Everett: Who would have thought that the position after 7..Nc6 has only occurred 7 times before in the database. Yet another world ready to be discovered for the adventurous.|
Thanks again <kingscrusher>. I enjoyed both videos very much.
|Dec-17-11|| ||DWINS: <Everett>, 7...Nc6 is well known theory and has been played thousands of times.|
|Dec-17-11|| ||Everett: <DWINS> must be by transposition then. Click similar games to see what I mean...|
|Dec-17-11|| ||DWINS: <Everett>, As much as we all love CG, this website is not even close to being a complete database. If you check a professional chess database you will find many games played with this line.|
|Dec-17-11|| ||acirce: Opening Explorer|
|Dec-17-11|| ||Everett: <DWINS> <acirce> seems like I am naively following a CG tool, giving me a false sense of reality. Thank you both for the correction.|
How late in the game does the first new move come, then?
|Dec-19-11|| ||Ulhumbrus: The move 40...Qf1+!! follows the advice which Irving Chernev and Fred Reinfeld stress in their book "Winning chess": look at every possible check and capture|
|Jul-12-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: Guess-the-Move Final Score:
Kramnik vs D Howell, 2011.
YOU ARE PLAYING THE ROLE OF KRAMNIK.
Your score: 66 (par = 49)
PS. I boosted the par to 54!
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