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|Jan-06-12|| ||notyetagm: Anish Giri|
<chessgames2010: Some interesting comments by Kramnik on Anish Giri back at Corus:
"This guy, Giri - one can tell he is an amazing talent. <<<He is not inferior to Carlsen talent-wise.>>> And, while in the past I had been certain about Carlsen beating everyone eventually, now that I have seen Giri, So, I see that it won't be easy for him. Now he has to overcome us, old guys, but if he does - these young folks will come around. I watched them and I realized that in about 3 years, these guys will play at 2750 level - it is obvious to me.">
Very prescient comments by former World Champion Vladimir Kramnik.
|Jan-06-12|| ||notyetagm: Game Collection: GIRI TEACHES TACTICS|
Nakamura vs A Giri, 2012 34 ... d4xBe3! powerful passed pawn, 38 ... Bd4-e3+! overloaded
|Jan-06-12|| ||SChesshevsky: I wondering what the plan was for White's attack with 12.Ng5 13.h5?|
Because it looks like after 14.Nf3 Bg4 any White Kside initiative is gone but the weaknesses are stuck there.
For defense maybe 20.Bxc5 hindering the Qside attack and then get rid of the Rooks on the e-file and maybe can hold an opposite colored Bishop draw.
|Jan-06-12|| ||Il Palazzo: Curiosly enough Chessvibes gives 21.Qd3 as an only move:|
But it gives no extra lines as justification. Anyone got an idea why 21.Bd4 doesn't work?
|Jan-06-12|| ||Buttinsky: Check out http://livechess.chessdom.com/site/ You have to further select Reggio then game. Move 21 has the line.|
|Jan-07-12|| ||Il Palazzo: I left the computer do some line scavenging for me, if anyone is interested:|
Analysis by Houdini 1.5 w32:
1. (-0.20): 21...Rxe1 22.Rxe1 Qb5 23.Qd3 Qxd3 24.Bxd3 Bxd4 25.cxd4 Kf8 26.b3 Nb6 27.Bf5 Rd8 28.Kd2 Na8 29.Kd3 Nc7 30.Bg4 Nb5 31.a4 Nd6 32.c4 Ne4 33.Re2 c5
After 21.Bd4 Rxe1 22.Rxe1 Qb5 23.Qd3
1. (-0.15): 23...Qxd3 24.Bxd3 Bf6xd4 25.cxd4 Kf8 26.b3 Nb6 27.Bf5 Rd8 28.Kd2 Na8 29.Kd3 Nc7 30.Bg4 Nb5 31.a4 Nd6 32.Bf3 Re8 33.Re5 Re6 34.Bg4
Now, as counterproof I tried to evaluate the 21st move:
1. (-0.18): 21.d4 Rxe1 22.Rxe1 Qb5 23.Qd3 Qxd3 24.Bxd3 Bxd4 25.cxd4 Kf8 26.b3 Nb6 27.Bf5 Rd8 28.Kd2 Na8 29.Re5 Nc7 30.a4 Ne8 31.f3 Nf6
2. (-0.84): 21.Qd3 Nc3 22.Bd2 d4 23.Rg1 Rxe1+ 24.Rxe1 Rd8 25.f3 Qc7 26.Bh7+ Kh8 27.Bf5 Nd5 28.Qe2 Qe7
Some moves may not be very accurate towards the end of these lines. I tried some long variations on 21.Bd4 etc. and white seems to hold without much effort.
The engine seems to agree that 21.Qd3 is not an only move... quite on the contrary.
|Jan-08-12|| ||KingV93: Nakamura looks a little uncomfortable after losing the initiative and having no attack. Playing defensively is not his forte.|
|Jan-08-12|| ||IRONCASTLEVINAY: Manish Market|
|Jan-08-12|| ||King Death: < IRONCASTLEVINAY: Manish Market>|
A long time ago I knew a girl named Manisha. Her parents were Indian and she was English. She was sexy as hell.
|Jan-08-12|| ||SChesshevsky: <Il Palazzo: 21. Qd3 is also a mistake, even if Giri didn't take full advantage of it. The right move was 21. Bd4!>|
21.Bd4 does look like a very good move.
I didn't think Black going to the Qside with 20...Na4 was a good plan. White's weaknesses are on the Kside and Black has to watch out for the b1 h7 diagonal and the Bishop pair and as you've shown the Bd4 possible opening up of the g-file.
I maybe would've thought 20...Ne4 and you'll probably get rid of both White Bishops and Black's rooks or after an exchange at least one rook will control the d or e-file and with the exchanges and the queen more mobile that should be enough to take advantage of the white isolated pawns on the Kside.
|Jan-08-12|| ||National Master Dale: What will black do to win if white shuffles a rook back and forth from d1 to b1 ?|
|Jan-08-12|| ||JohnBoy: <Ezzy: Why do Nakamura's Tweets always conclude with an excuse?> I don't see it that way - I see it as a statement of fact: "I am tired after several tournament in a row. My ability to pay attention and think clearly is starting to flag." He doesn't deny Giri's fine play.|
|Jan-08-12|| ||Penguincw: Nice exchange sac.|
|Jan-08-12|| ||AuN1: i can't help but disagree.
AuN1: < timhortons: nak twit
"Despite a meltdown, it is good to be reminded that chess is just a game and there are a lot worse things that can happen in life.">
typical nakamura; when he wins, it's because he's playing great, his opponents never have a "meltdown". but when he loses, it's not because his opponents played well, it's because he himself had a meltdown. get over yourself kid.
|Jan-08-12|| ||MORPHYEUS: Nope. Did you read all Nakamura's tweet?
"Just one of those days where everything went wrong and my opponent played well. Fortunately, I still have the lead and can sleep it off."
5 Jan via web
|Jan-08-12|| ||Il Palazzo: <National Master Dale: What will black do to win if white shuffles a rook back and forth from d1 to b1 ?>|
There are different plans that work here, I'll try to illustrate a logical solution.
Black advances his kingside pawns trying to bring the king to the square g4. An example may be: 42.Rb1 g5 43.hxg6ep (if 43.Rd1 g4 and the rook on f3 is enprise) Kg7 44.Rd1 Kxg6 45.Rb1 Kh5 46.Rd1 Kg4 and White has to get rid of the rook for the pawn.
|Jan-08-12|| ||drnooo: come on guys" if Naka truly means it to the depth of that statement, IF, perhaps even going further would do the trick
that chess is just another stupid game and there are a lot worse things can happen, he's got his head screwed on right, though I seriously doubt he would be one to sit down and discuss Being And Nothingness with.
Or have a beer with.
But all he in all he may be a fairly ok guy, no matter if he does seem often rather excuse laden.
|Jan-08-12|| ||JohnBoy: <AuN1: typical nakamura; when he wins, it's because he's playing great, his opponents never have a "meltdown". but when he loses, it's not because his opponents played well, it's because he himself had a meltdown.>
Look at the Naka comment posted by <MORPHYEUS>. Did he know that he was in trouble against Anand and Adams in London? Of course. Did he know that he needed them to falter in order to win? Of course. He openly stated such. This time he faltered and lost when "my opponent played well." That's the nature of the game.
|Jan-08-12|| ||timhortons: it is always in a manner that the opponent is playing well when your lossing, and naka is humble to admit the case.|
|Jan-08-12|| ||Peligroso Patzer: <notyetagm: Wow, I really love Giri's 34 ... d4x♗e3!!.>|
That was a strong move that left the White position in serious difficulty.
Nakamura's last chance to defend was <36. Rh3> (with the idea Rh1 to hold the first rank; the defense would remain difficult, but it helps White's chances that the Black f-pawn promotes on a light square.). After <36. Rf3?>, White was lost.
|Jan-08-12|| ||Chessmensch: Interestingly, McClain also chose this game for his NY Times chess column today (January 8).|
|Jan-08-12|| ||vanytchouck: Althought i'm a real Giri's fanboy and even if i like this game very much, i think there is too much ado about this 34...dxe3 !! wich is a move that any 1800 player could have considered OTB.|
Maybe he wouldn't have played it, but any fairly good player would have definately look at this move.
An exchange sacrifice for a passed and backed pawn is a very common idea.
The real point is to see if it's really winning and how many moves ahead did Giri see it.
|Jan-09-12|| ||indoknight: great ending technique, like this Fischer vs H Rossetto, 1959|
|Jan-09-12|| ||kevin86: How does this game end? How does black make progress?|
|Jan-09-12|| ||Valmy: <Kevin86>, it is White to move in the final position. I don't see a move that doesn't lose.|
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