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| Jan-15-12 | | bubuli55: Oops! Penetration! Go Carlsen. Go Carlsen... :) |
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Jan-15-12
 | | WannaBe: Pssst, gentlemen, kick-off is in 45 minutes, please wrap up this game! =) |
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| Jan-15-12 | | bubuli55: Nothing ridiculous there:)
Still drawish tho:)
this is what they came to do. find the grind-it-out place |
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| Jan-15-12 | | bubuli55: g5 baby |
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| Jan-15-12 | | bubuli55: Can somebody say zugz? |
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| Jan-15-12 | | bubuli55: That was ridiculous! |
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Jan-15-12
 | | Marmot PFL: Looks like Aronian will be in 1st place, and I think plays Carlsen tomorrow |
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Jan-15-12
| | WannaBe: Phew, close one there, I thought Chucky was going to walk into a self-mate! Can I watch football now? |
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| Jan-15-12 | | reilouco: Does anyone think that if computers achieve perfect play (white and black) all games will be a draw? Or the advantage of white is sufficient to win? |
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| Jan-15-12 | | JoergWalter: <reilouco: Does anyone think that if computers achieve perfect play (white and black) all games will be a draw? Or the advantage of white is sufficient to win?> 2 questions which haven't been answered with a definite proof until today, as far as I know.
There is a strong opinion that chess is an even game and the advantage of the first move can be neutralized. But for me that is just an opinion. |
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| Jan-15-12 | | Penguincw: Well, IMO, it was better than a short draw with little action. |
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| Jan-15-12 | | JoergWalter: since it is an unsolved issue the game is still played. short draws with little action depend on the fighting spirit the players are in, their standing in the tournament, prearrangements etc. etc.. |
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| Jan-15-12 | | Penguincw: < JoergWalter >
Well, I don't really see a reason to cut the battle short here. |
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Jan-15-12
| | WannaBe: <reilouco> Yes, chess will be shown as a draw game... |
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Jan-15-12
 | | wordfunph: "To lose is human, to win is divine, to draw is an art." - Tom Wiswell
:-) |
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Jan-16-12
 | | FSR: <JoergWalter: <reilouco: Does anyone think that if computers achieve perfect play (white and black) all games will be a draw? Or the advantage of white is sufficient to win?> 2 questions which haven't been answered with a definite proof until today, as far as I know. There is a strong opinion that chess is an even game and the advantage of the first move can be neutralized. But for me that is just an opinion.> It's a shame that no one reads my award-winning article (Today's Featured Article on March 21, 2009) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-... |
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| Jan-16-12 | | JoergWalter: <FSR> thanks for your interesting and very in depth article. Does it refute my statement?
<2 questions which haven't been answered with a definite proof until today, as far as I know. There is a strong opinion that chess is an even game and the advantage of the first move can be neutralized. But for me that is just an opinion.> |
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Jan-16-12
| | FSR: JoergWalter: There is a very strong consensus that the game is a draw with best play. Statistics on game results, both in games between humans and computers, are likewise consistent with the view that White has a small but not decisive advantage. Maybe one could analogize to the theory of evolution: the existing evidence strongly suggests that it is true, but it has not been PROVEN true, and in principle it is conceivable that someday it could be proven false. |
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Jan-16-12
| | FSR: JoergWalter: To be clear, I disagree with the theory that "chess is an even game." Basically everyone except Adorjan acknowledges that White has some advantage, albeit not enough for a win with best play. |
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| Jan-16-12 | | drkodos: Draw with best play because the kings cannot attack each other (unlike real life). |
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| Jan-16-12 | | JoergWalter: <FSR> I just thought about what Fischer said in his article "A Bust to the King's Gambit": <Spassky told me himself the gambit doesn't give White much, but he plays it because neither does the Ruy Lopez nor the Giuco Piano.> But look at the result Spassky gained when Spassky played the King's Gambit.
The statistics here clearly disproved Spassky's opinion. |
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| Jan-16-12 | | JoergWalter: <FSR> maybe instead of "even" game we should say "not providing decisive advantange" with best play on both sides.
I'm always stunned with computer evaluations of +0.06 or the like. Who takes that serious? Not me. |
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Jan-16-12
| | FSR: <JoergWalter> Spassky was the greatest King's Gambiteer ever. He has no losses (apart from two in simuls) in the database, and many wins, including against world-class opponents like Fischer, Bronstein, and Portisch. http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... But people not named Spassky don't do particularly well with it these days. |
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| Jan-16-12 | | JoergWalter: <FSR>
Spassky, one of the most gifted players in history.
btw, do you know how Spassky is doing today? he is approaching 75 and had serious health problems in the past. |
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Jan-16-12
| | FSR: <JoergWalter> Last report I see is from October 2010. Spassky was then reported to be recovering from the stroke he had suffered the previous month, and had some paralysis on one side. http://eideard.com/2010/10/12/boris... |
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