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|Jan-29-12|| ||frogbert: black can't allow a white knight to live on b5, so white can choose to have two bishops against two knights here. but with the relatively closed center, the knights aren't too shabby.|
|Jan-29-12|| ||darshandatta: I think Carlsen surprised opponent with dutch....|
|Jan-29-12|| ||frogbert: white needs at least one more move to implement e4 (Nb5 or Re1/Rf2), so I guess black will activate his h8-rook, after which his Kf7 isn't any big liability - to address ulhumbrus' point.|
|Jan-29-12|| ||Ulhumbrus: Perhaps Carlsen thinks that he can manage to remove his King from the f file by ...Kg8 before White can arrange the pawn advance e4 by eg the moves Rf2, Qd2 and Rad1|
|Jan-29-12|| ||Edmontonchessclub: "NOBODY expects the Dutch position!"|
|Jan-29-12|| ||shakespeare: surely he is surprised - a Norwegian playing dutch - thats illegal|
|Jan-29-12|| ||Ulhumbrus: <Frogbert> As happens occasionally, I saw your message after having sent mine.|
|Jan-29-12|| ||talisman: which what square??!|
|Jan-29-12|| ||SoundWave: Is White planning Rfe1 and e4?|
|Jan-29-12|| ||Ulhumbrus: If White does not try to play the pawn advance e2-e4 but contents himself with Rfc1 and the pawn advance e2-e3! instead he may end up with a considerable advantage because of his bishop pair.|
|Jan-29-12|| ||talisman: <SoundWave> c file.|
|Jan-29-12|| ||darshandatta: White may have time trouble on the later phase of game which is the most probable cause for blunders|
|Jan-29-12|| ||SoundWave: <talisman> ah yes..forgive me I'm a weaker player.|
|Jan-29-12|| ||WinKing: Kamsky-Topalov odd looking position.|
|Jan-29-12|| ||frogbert: ulhumbrus, yep. :o)
i'm looking at the central pawn structure right now; i guess as black i would take once on e4 (fxe4) and then probably leave it to white to decide between e5 and and exd5. only e5 worries me slightly, since i struggle to find a good, stable defensive square for the f6-knight.
white can combine Nb5 with bringing his lsb to the b1-h7 diagonal which might be annoying for black, so probably i've already changed my mind about the pawns. carlsen's Re8 also might suggest that he intends an elimination on e4 (take twice), with the plan of pushing e5 afterwards. if white responds d5, a knight jump to d4 is an option, slightly depending on which piece ends up on e4.
actually, it might be an option for white to take only once on e4, but with the d5-pawn - and after fxe4 push e5! after d5 Nd4 white's e4-d5 pawn chain is already compromised due to black's f5-pawn (fxe4 threatened) so white may be forced to take on e5. if he takes on f5 then d4 would drop, which looks good for black.
meanwhile i see that van wely temporarily has decided not to play for e4 (f3 makes sense in its own right, to keep black's knight out of e4).
|Jan-29-12|| ||abuzic: Aronian Radjabov draw|
|Jan-29-12|| ||Strongest Force: e4 would be like throwing a bomb into a crowd but who would it kill?|
|Jan-29-12|| ||frogbert: <If White does not try to play the pawn advance e2-e4 but contents himself with Rfc1 and the pawn advance e2-e3! instead he may end up with a considerable advantage because of his bishop pair.>|
with the center closed (i.e. without the e4-break), the bishop pair will remain limited in strength. the lsb has limited scope and only hits white's own pawns, and the dsb basically has the single diagonal where it's currently posted.
also, consider that white's lsb can't be activated via f1 without being exchanged (for the time being, after a potential e2-e3), and if white tries to prepare this with Nb5 to avoid the exchange, then after Bxb5 axb5 white's pawn on b5 again limits the scope of white's lsb considerably.
in short, with the center closed, the power of the bishop pair is clearly limited.
|Jan-29-12|| ||hoodrobin: <WinKing: Kamsky-Topalov odd looking position> Indeed! Thanks!|
|Jan-29-12|| ||hoodrobin: Good Carlsen trying to win a true game. Aronian took his (deserved) prize.|
|Jan-29-12|| ||frogbert: white's Ra2 looks a bit odd, since now black's Na5 can't met with Qb2 - or at least it makes Ra2 look <very> odd. and Na5 b4? Nc4 is simply not playable. what does van wely intend after Na5 now? Rb2?|
|Jan-29-12|| ||frogbert: oh well, carlsen knows better - he played h6 rather quickly, which looks like a useful multi-purpose move: a place to stick the king, take some space (g5), adds a little more flexibility to the f6-knight, *might* prepare a later g5-push, etc.|
|Jan-29-12|| ||frogbert: a final point about h6: it's non-committing. carlsen might simply be in the business of giving van wely enough rope - and let him spend time.|
|Jan-29-12|| ||talisman: <frogbert> good points...but i agree w/ you that a5 is coming next...|
|Jan-29-12|| ||SoundWave: Now Van Wely will play Rc2.|
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