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|Apr-13-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: "Grandmaster Draw" has already been used as a pun; therefore I changed it to "The Immortal Draw (of 2012)"|
|Apr-13-12|| ||SwitchingQuylthulg: For more of these boring draws see this game collection :)|
Game Collection: Uneventful, everyday, dull draws
|Apr-13-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: <SwitchingQuylthulg> Right on!|
|Apr-13-12|| ||Octal: Why not 14 ... Bxe5?|
|Apr-13-12|| ||cro777: <Octal: Why not 14 ... Bxe5?>|
After <14... Bxe5> 15.Bxe5 f5 16.Bc4+ Kf8 17.Qxa8 Rxe5+ 18.Kf1 White stands clearly better.
Best for Black is
<14... Bf5> 15.Qxf5 g6 16.Qe4 Nd7
|Apr-13-12|| ||roninmb: Was it Friday the 13-th?
Did anyone take into account the 13-th move 13. Be3 instead of Bd3 or even Qxa8?
|Apr-14-12|| ||messachess: They produced a classic with this one. Really remarkable.|
|Apr-14-12|| ||nuwanda: i think that was a prearranged draw. probably their way to deal with the "no draw without arbiter"-rule.|
the played fast, the whole game didnt last even two hours. unthinkable if it would have been real...
|Apr-14-12|| ||cro777: <nuwanda: i think that was a prearranged draw. probably their way to deal with the "no draw without arbiter"-rule.>|
Commenting on the recent European Individual Championship in Plovdiv and the "no early draws" rule, GM Emil Sutovsky, the President of the Association of Chess Professionals (ACP) said:
"Registering losses for early draws (before 40th move) led to the fact that in the last round of the Championship one third of the games from the top of the table finished before they actually started. They simply set and made 40 [prearranged] moves "
|Apr-15-12|| ||dumbgai: These two have played some crazy games before, e.g.: Svidler vs Morozevich, 2003.|
|Apr-15-12|| ||cro777: GM Sergey Zagrebelny, who commented on the game live for ChessPro, also expressed some doubts about whether the players had really been playing at the board.|
|Apr-16-12|| ||Akavall: Great Game! It is games like this that make us love chess.|
|Aug-10-12|| ||fisayo123: Definitely pre-arranged lol,|
|Sep-01-13|| ||EvanTheTerrible: I certainly hope that it was not pre-arranged. I doubt that it happens as much as people would like to believe. Also, whether it was pre-arranged or not, someone had to play/compose this game at one time, so just enjoy the game itself and disregard the situation.|
|Sep-01-13|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: If prearranged, the players devoted a lot of effort to create this insanity--it's the only game in the DB with the 11...dxe4 variation.|
|Sep-01-13|| ||al wazir: What happens after 13. Qxa8 ?|
|Sep-01-13|| ||shivasuri4: <al wazir>, I believe White gains a decent edge after 13.Qxa8 Bg5+ 14.Be3 Qa5+ 15.Nd2 Bxe3 16.fxe3 Rxe3+ 17.Be2 Qc7 (or Qb6). Svidler probably didn't want to dive into all these complications with Morozevich.|
|Sep-01-13|| ||positionalgenius: Wow. Incredibly complex!|
|Sep-01-13|| ||psmith: <al wazir> <shivaruri4>: Analysis aided by Rybka 2.2 (not the most powerful but it's free) seems to show that 13.Qxa8 Bf6+ is either drawing or better for Black. Some lines:|
13. Qxa8 Bf6+
(a) 14. Be2 Rxe2+! 15. Kxe2 Ba6+ 16. Ke1 Qe8+ 17. Ne5 Bxe5 18. Be3 (18. Bxe5 Qxe5+ 19. Kd1 Qxb2 ) Bxb2 19. Rb1 Qb5 20. Rxb2 Qxb2 21. Qf3 Nc6 22. Qd1 h6 23. Qd2 Qb1+
24. Qc1 Qg6
(b) 14. Be3 Qb6 15. Qd5 (15. Nd2 Bxb2 16. Rb1 Bb7 17. Qxb7 Qxb7 ) 15. .. Qxb2 16. Rd1 Bb7 17. Qxc5 Bxf3 18. Rc1 Bh4 19. Rc2 Qa1+ 20.
Rc1 Qb2 =
(Hope i copied all that right...)
|Sep-01-13|| ||Boelke: 24. Why not take with the rook? end game with rook vs. two bishops. Maybe not so good?|
|Sep-01-13|| ||shivasuri4: <Boelke>, yes, White would have to struggle hard for a draw in that case.|
Thanks, <psmith>, for the engine analysis.
|Sep-01-13|| ||jokerman: <Boelke> if 24. Rxa8? Bxe4+ 25. Kc3 Bxa8
So, white doesn't take the rook because black can first take the bishop with check. And in an endgame rook vs 2 bishops, the 2 bishops would have a definite advantage (they can control more squares)|
|Sep-03-13|| ||kevin86: So few pieces in so few moves.|
|May-15-14|| ||SpiritedReposte: Too many pieces en prise...all those tactics and counter-tactics. Chess is a complex game at times.|
|Nov-08-18|| ||Octavia: it ended up in "most interesting draws of 2012-2015" Obviously Naiditsch&Csaba thought it was a proper draw!|
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