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Team White vs Team Black
"Albin All Around This World" (game of the day Sep-23-12)
Chessgames Thematic Challenge (2012)  ·  Queen's Gambit Declined: Albin Countergambit (D08)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Oct-08-12
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  YouRang: <blue wave><<YouRang> is a case in point, admitting that the move of <25...0-0-0> had not been looked at, but willing to vote for it any way based on trust and aestheitics.>

Well, for the record, I voted 25...c5. 25...O-O-O made me nervous because of the passed pawn and the relatively small amount of time spent on it. It wasn't until much later that I was satisfied that it really was a draw.

Oct-08-12
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  jepflast: Thanks guys!

Yes, maybe Rybka and Houdini differ wildly at that position, which led to a shift of attention.

<YR>, it did seem like Black's king needed to be closer to the kingside to chase pawns in so many lines; maybe that is also part of why we thought Rd8 would be better.

Oct-08-12
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  YouRang: <jepflast: Also, Team Black, did you have anything for 25...c5 <26. Nh2> ?>

Yes I looked at it quite a bit. Below are some links to posts related to 26.Nh2:

== July 3:

Team White vs Team Black, 2012

I fact, in the above post, 26.Nh2 was my "A" line and 26.bxc6 was my "B" line.

== July 7:

(Team White vs Team Black, 2012).

== July 11 (two posts):

Team White vs Team Black, 2012

Team White vs Team Black, 2012

Oct-08-12  blue wave: Thanks for clarifying things <YouRang>.
Oct-08-12
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  jepflast: <YR> Thanks. I just missed all that somehow. Your analysis does hit upon our line with 31. Kh3, but it doesn't go deep enough to see the danger that karpkasp saw. I wonder if this would have won.
Oct-09-12
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  chrisowen: <jepflast> I think doc, what as many in light camp for derelict duty

game wash drawn over b1 timber true f4 instead yeah e4 might it

feint upper dervish in foot bishopc8 as tender in d3 over straight

e4 huge decision in pursuing round d4 or chest queen rifle tucked in

e4 to solidify it oh in hit extra weight one 5e in backing provision

eventual mask in d3 ok with me i suppose yes for highball it off in

king up ply it f2 i shopped erstwhile go bg2 as tardy it h4 in

looked equal it yoke in dread to relax in rim c4 had good chance

after a6 qd5 epi centre in queenside to crumble still little it

favour in us i remember tinker d7 in bishop as tormenting black I'll

try to believe ribbing a method to it is corner king in rag leather

e1 stood an option low in central lie of the land rookc2 at 31st i

gated for dig suttle maneovering including a2 apawn march in share

the points it breaker b8 got me kingh3 almost cooped in a1 rook king

black it roam over just in time, in juice i got is this a just and

true cause it her b5 in b4 piercing the veil maybe stipulate in

theory it drawn h5 in carriage of linch ie a4 start in diagrams it

winding up in railing back b3.

<40.nxg4 nc2 41.rf4 b 47.kf2 a5 43.nf6 rd8 44.rf5 nd4 45.rc5 b4

46.rxa5 b3 47.ra4>


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<...kc7 48.ne4 ke6 49.e3 nc2 50.ke2 re8 51.nd2 rxe3+ 52.kf2>


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Oct-09-12  isemeria: I didn't feel 25...0-0-0 as so shocking, but this was more because I hadn't done serious analysis of <any> of the possibilities. For me it was just one move among the others.

I think <OCF> (or <YouRang>) once said in one of the Worlds vs. GM games that our opponents have never made a move that was both surprising and good. Or something to that idea. So I thought that if a move had escaped our attention, then it can't be much better than the moves we have analyzed.

BTW, HIARCS 14 - which was not yet released at the time - consistently prefers 25...0-0-0 from ply 1.

Oct-09-12  isemeria: The only slight regret I have is that <6.e4> didn't get as much attention as I think it deserved. It would have solved white's development problems and produced a totally different middle game with more "classical" positional advantage for white. But there's no point arguing if it's better or worse than the text move 6.Bg5 because the positions are so different.

I posted something about 6.e4, but left it at that. I had decided that I'm not going to bother advocating any move in the opening because the team will vote whatever they want anyway. But I hadn't realized that a team vs. team game is very different from GM vs. The World games because of much smaller number of active participants and the fact that here people actually read the posted analysis. As a result, 6.e4 was only mentioned but never analysed properly. I can't blame others because I didn't do it myself either.

Oct-09-12
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  AylerKupp: <<OhioChessFan> I may stand corrected>

I don’t think so, at least not in this context. A lot depends on whether one is verbose with a purpose (<jepflast>) or whether one is verbose without a purpose (guess who).

Although if you have been lurking on The World vs. Akobian game in progress I both think and hope that you do indeed stand corrected.

Oct-09-12
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  AylerKupp: <jepflast> You and the rest of your ragtag brand of amateurs (you forgot "and unpaid") should not feel too badly about somehow missing 25...0-0-0. After all, you got the first part of the move right, 25...Rd8. You just forgot the second part of the move which I will describe as 25...Kc8. This is more easily visualized if you write the move as "25...Rd8/Kc8". :-)
Oct-09-12
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  AylerKupp: <<jepflast> Still, I wonder why Rd8 never gained a following. AK's requests for more analysis seem to have been ignored.>

By this point in the game (or probably much earlier), most of the team, with the notable exception of <RandomVisitor> who humored me often, had correctly decided that any of my requests for further analysis should be ignored as just a source of distraction. And, of course, any move that I suggest should be rightly viewed with skepticism.

I guess the moral of the story is that if you have sufficient computing power, you can afford to do some foolish and time consuming things . . . :-)

My reason for preferring 25...Rd8 over 25...0-0-0 (although I finally did vote for 25...0-0-0) was simple; we already had our knight pinned against our queen and I had hoped to avoid double-pinning it against both our queen and our king. This would make it harder to unpin it and have it return to e3 where it could once more squeal with glee.

With respect to the 25...c5 26.Nh2 question we had 71 analyses with 25...c5 26.Nh2 with an average eval of [+0.30] when both all analyses or only those analyses for PV=1 were considered, mostly as a result of <YouRang>'s efforts.

In contrast, we had 273 analyses with 25...c6 26.bxc6 from several analysts' efforts with an average eval of [+0.41] if all analyses were considered and an average eval of [+0.43] if only analyses for PV=1 were considered. So we (at least I) were pretty confident that if we played 25...c5 that your response would have been 26.bxc6, even if this would eventually also peter out to a draw.

Oct-12-12
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  jepflast: My narrative is in the middle of a little break here because <jepflast jr.> was just born a couple of days ago! I'll finish the annotation soon though!
Oct-12-12
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  whiteshark: Congrats <jepflast>, strictly speaking <jepflast sr.> now. :))
Oct-14-12
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  chesstoplay: < jepflast > Re: <<< h5 >>>

I finally found the post I was looking for:

<Aug-29-12
PinnedPiece: Just curious...how bad a move is h5? Does that put black's hackles up? or easily defended?

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Seems to me it causes black some serious decision -making. ....Rh8 is not much of an answer, I don't think. ...Qb7 seems to be ignoring our intent. >

Does this tie into your lack of h5 posts?

Oct-15-12
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  jepflast: <chesstoplay> That comment by PinnedPiece was about move 35, not move 26, so we're not quite there yet....
Oct-15-12
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  parmetd: Congrats!
Oct-15-12
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  OhioChessFan: <AK: Although if you have been lurking on The World vs. Akobian game in progress I both think and hope that you do indeed stand corrected.>

Can't argue that.

Oct-16-12  benjinathan: <jepflast> great news- congratualtions dad.
Oct-16-12
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  AylerKupp: <jepflast> How soon before you start teaching him chess moves?
Oct-16-12  rapidcitychess: <jepflast>

Wonderful news! Perhaps you can make him start regulating the tree! That's what kids are for, making the work easier around the house. You just got to get past the first 3 years or so.

Oct-18-12
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  jepflast: Thanks, all!
Oct-18-12
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  jepflast: <Part 13: Move 26-29>

After the train wreck, I did a good job publicly of not freaking out, and privately of not throwing my man-cave appliances into one another. So the rebuilding process began with my computers still intact.

<26…h5 27. Bxg4 hxg4 28. Kg2> There was no other way for White to untie the position. 27. Kg2 would have transposed at best.

Black had a laundry list of computer options here, but they were all pointless or led to Qxe5 anyway, so it wasn’t long before we were planning exclusively for:

<28…Qxe5 29. Rhf1> At long last! Black regains the gambit pawn and White activates the last piece.

Here was another greatly annoying list of options for Black. To me, that will always be the scariest thing in these Challenges. The most obvious move was again best, though.

Probably the most interesting sideline here was 29…b6 (or even 28…b6, which transposed). I found that White would probably win with 30. Rxf7 & 31. Rd1, and it looks like Team Black knew this as well.

<29…Qe6> Opting to return the queen to the best square rather than invite trouble.

After that relatively tunnelistic series of recent moves, the game opened up here again somewhat, and this is where Team White had to find the win.


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This position was long expected before it arrived, which gave us plenty of time to catch up to Black in analysis and find a win. During this stretch I gave the game everything I had, and it was clear that several others were working very hard too, at least <hms123>, <cro777>, and <isemeria>. I remember this time very well; we struggled to find positions where White retained winning chances.

Oct-18-12
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  jepflast: (The above was written before the baby break but not posted because it wasn't long enough. Now, it seems like a good stopping point....)
Oct-18-12
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  jepflast: <Part 14: Move 30>

It was a dark and stormy night….

Team White worked frantically, as mentioned, for this move that was White’s last, best shot to dictate the course of the game. Ranking Team White’s most dramatic votes, this was number one because of a last-minute switch from Rc2 to Rf4. If nothing else, it was encouraging that the lead analysts were able to pull the switch—influencing enough silent voters—on very short notice.

The obvious moves are, indeed, Rf4 and Rc2, but frustration kept driving us back to try weirder things. Qf5 and a4 were two of them, but they didn’t work.

In this position, both sides are limited to scant few productive moves, so I tried to use that to our advantage with the idea 30. Rf2. Black was ready to reposition the knight with b6 and Nb7, followed by Nc5 or Nd6, but if White could safely give away a tempo, Black would have had to choose the wrong one. I believe this idea worked for 31…b6—temporary elation, but after more analysis I saw that 31…c5 was a problem. I managed to produce an ending where White had a small but disappointing advantage; this was rejected because in other lines we had more such endings to choose from.

30. Rc2 was looking like our best shot for a while on the strength of (at least) these two endings, both starting 30…c5 31. Qf5 b6 32. Qxe6+ fxe6 33. Rf4 e5:

1) 34. Rxg4 Nb7 35. Rc1 Nd6 36. Rxg8 Rxg8 37. g4 Kd7
2) 34. Re4 Nb7 35. Rxe5 Nd6 36. a4

White is up a pawn in both, but in the time allotted we could not find wins.

Still, it was leading the vote against the most promising Rf4 line, discovered independently by me and <galumph>. That line was longer but also looked drawn until, once again, <karpkasp> swooped in and extended it to another win! We knew that the variations had not been checked very well, but, being good sports, we again chose to strike forth into the unknown. Besides, Rf4 just feels right, doesn’t it?

<30. Rf4 b6> Moves that cut to the chase in a big hurry.

Black had worthy contenders in Rde8 and c5, but they didn’t get the knight involved soon enough.

In the nick of time, Team White had established a new main line on which to ride to victory, but there would be one more surprise….

(Don’t look in the kibitzing to spoil it!)

Oct-18-12
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  jepflast: I should mention that in the case of 30...c5, we had not quite worked out a win either, after several promising attempts. The result of that line remains a mystery, but I think it's not a stretch to say Black had a good chance of drawing in that line too.
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