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|Apr-29-12|| ||Rook E1: What?
Anyway, go Nakamura! Why is he on the Italian team? I'm confused.
|Apr-29-12|| ||tpstar: What a fighter!|
|Apr-29-12|| ||Karpova: <Rook E1: Anyway, go Nakamura! Why is he on the Italian team? I'm confused.>|
That's the Italian Team Championship (like German Bundesliga) so there are Italian teams only...
|Apr-29-12|| ||Shams: Nakamura caught a quick flight out of Vancouver for this?|
|Apr-29-12|| ||HeMateMe: Inspired. Sponsors are just lined up to throw money at a gladiator spectacle, such as this.|
|Apr-30-12|| ||vinidivici: boring. a game shouldnt be like this///// d'oooh|
|Apr-30-12|| ||qqdos: Worse than boring. The players' respective teams should have points deducted.|
|Apr-30-12|| ||Kinghunt: For someone who can display so much fighting spirit, Nakamura has a real propensity for taking incredibly short draws. Let's define an incredibly short draw (ISD) as a draw in 15 or fewer moves. How do the top GMs compare in making ISDs?|
In the past decade...
Nakamura: 7 ISDs
Carlsen: 0 ISDs
Aronian: 20 ISDs
Kramnik: 6 ISDs (three with black in match play against Grischuk)
Anand: 10 ISDs
Radjabov: 36 ISDs
Morozevich: 14 ISDS
So it seems that in general, there isn't all much of a correlation between perceived fighting spirit and willingness to make an ISD. I was particularly surprised to see the ISD frequency of Aronian and Morozevich. Despite occasions like this, Nakamura appears to agree to ISDs much less frequently than most top GMs. Carlsen is the sole exception amongst the current top players, in that he appears to reject all ISDs on principle and always makes at least some fight out of every game.
|Apr-30-12|| ||Kinghunt: Interesting, though not surprising related fact: of all recent world champions, Fischer was the least ISD-prone. He only made three in his entire career, and all were before he turned 20.|
|Apr-30-12|| ||JustAFish: Team events are different. It's the team score that counts. Oftentimes a player will take a short draw in a team event where they wouldn't dream of taking a draw in an individual in order to secure a solid win for the team.|
|Apr-30-12|| ||Kinghunt: Ah, yes, I can see the logic in accepting a draw to secure a team victory when all the other games have also reached move 10 and you have white against an opponent you outrate by nearly 100 points.|
|Apr-30-12|| ||acirce: In any case, the decision is not ultimately for the player to take. If the team captain tells you to offer a draw, you offer a draw.|
|Apr-30-12|| ||Kinghunt: In general, you are right. However, I very much doubt the team captain told Nakamura to draw this game as quickly as possible.|
|Apr-30-12|| ||tamar: Nakamura mentions only sleep in his blog
<In my second round of the day against GM Emil Sutovsky, I had a dilemma as to whether I should attempt to use some of my preparation for the US Championship or just play something quiet. Perhaps drawing upon my inspiration from Vancouver, I decided to play 1.g3 in the style of Duncan Suttles. Eventually the game turned into a reverse Dutch, and around move 10, I simply felt like the position was completely equal and I did not want to risk anything. I offered a draw which Emil quickly accepted and I ran back to the hotel and face planted into the pillow for a few hours.> http://hikarunakamura.com/worldwide...
|Apr-30-12|| ||qqdos: I'd like to see a team captain trying to give a Fischer such an instruction!? After 10 moves the state of the particular match cannot possibly have been sufficiently far advanced for a tactical decision to have been taken.|
|Apr-30-12|| ||kontoleon: i hate this tactical!
this is not good! The rest people fight to win and, ok the draw is good from both team. Hmmm draw it!
FROM ME THIS IS NOT CHESS
|Apr-30-12|| ||qqdos: If the position was "completely equal" around move 10, what more can Black aim for and what was Emil doing accepting quickly and ditto his team captain allowing such acceptance? Should not points be deducted from both teams?|
|Apr-30-12|| ||acirce: <tamar> Yeah, that changes things. So-called "drawmasters" like Lékó or Kramnik would never offer or accept draws as White after 10 moves against a clearly inferior player, barring very exceptional circumstances.|
|Apr-30-12|| ||TheMacMan: hate to say it as a naka fan but naka is on the decline|
|Apr-30-12|| ||jsy: Hard to say what really took place. Maybe Naka really was tired and neaded the draw. Though Sutovsky is "clearly inferior" to Naka, Sutovsky is not vastly inferior as a 2700 rated player. In any case, Naka was the top board throughout and was paired with the only "strong" players in the tournament. The team is so strong that with Naka at the top taking the draw, Caruana (and the rest of the team) is always paired up with a truly inferior player and it has been Caruana (and rest of team) doing all the winning and heavy lifting. This was probably the plan from the beginning.|
|Apr-30-12|| ||JohnDahl: Sounds more like the recline. It is as the man says, a question of energy management. Now if this had been the German league, Naka's actions may have raised more than an eyebrow, but in Italy? Ah, come on.|
|Apr-30-12|| ||tamar: <acirce> Entertaining blog, but no mention of his team except that someone he knew had put him in touch with a team.|
Maybe the chemistry wasn't right, but the 17 move draw after this one points to a mailed in effort.
|Apr-30-12|| ||vinidivici: u know what naka is a sharp player and sutovsky, we all know he's a very sharp player also...both players have a tendencies to play some wild position thats we are waiting for for the match between the two. but what they have done...:(|
they ruin the appetite of chess fans....
|May-01-12|| ||Troller: Well, this was after all second game of the day, Nakamura had just played a 51-move game vs David.|
As a team event, one should remember that even if Naka outrates his opponent by 80 pts or so(?), it might be that on lower boards the difference is even greater. Still, 10- and 17-move draws are not impressive for a top-10 player in an event like this.
<Kinghunt> You take only classical games I gather? Carlsen has a couple of classical ISDs in 2002 as well as some rapids/blitzes later on (including Nakamura vs Carlsen, 2009). Topalov is another player who more or less dispenses with ISDs, Kasimdzhanov vs Topalov, 2004 being his latest according to cg (and that includes rapid/blitz). Interesting numbers though.
|May-01-12|| ||frogbert: troller, i assume kinghunt didn't find classical games of 11-year old carlsen too relevant for this comparison. how many games were considered by 11-year old anand and aronian do you think? :o)|
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