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|Oct-17-13|| ||Nick46: Any other takers for reverting back to the three day week? :o)|
|Oct-17-13|| ||Abdel Irada: Once again, it appears I post too late to add anything to what <Phony Benoni> has already said.|
Black's position would probably be only slightly worse, even given the ominous Q@c3-K@g7 lineup, *if* White couldn't drive the queen from e6 and open the diagonal. Once he does that, the game is mere apocalypse for Black.
|Oct-17-13|| ||morfishine: I've see this one: Attack the Queen with <29.Nd4>, then open up the diagonal with <30.e6>, then crunch|
Why can't I ever do this?
|Oct-17-13|| ||woody b: <independentthinker>
i guess you refer to the line
29. Nxc4 dxc4 30. Nxe7 Qxe7 (Nxe7 31. Rd6!) 31. Rd7! Qe6 (Qxd7 32. e6+; 31. ... Qe8 32. e6+ Kg8 or Kh6 and white will win after 33. Rxf7) 32. Rad1
which was also my 'solution'.
it is probably winning but not as fast as in the game
|Oct-17-13|| ||Bartimaeus: <Jausch46, LTJ> 30. Nxe6+ seems quite good. However, after |
30. Nxe6+ Kf7 31. Qg7+ Kxe6 32. Qxg6+ Bf6
though white has definitely the better position, i didn't see as clear an advantage as i saw after Nxf5+. Maybe the engines have a stronger continuation after Nxe6 but the above line is why i chose Nxf5+ over Nxe6+. Overall, Nxf5+ seems a cleaner win to me.
|Oct-17-13|| ||Bartimaeus: Apologies, Nxe6+ too wins clearly. Taking my above line further,|
31. Nxe6+ Kf7 32. Qg7+ Kxe6 33. Qxg6+ Bf6 34. Bd4 Rf8 35. Re1+ and the bishop is won.
Both lines appear to be equally good.
|Oct-17-13|| ||kevin86: Boy! Black's game is coming apart quickly!|
|Oct-17-13|| ||M.Hassan: "Medium"
White to play 29.?
White can start to attack the Queen:
This double check, opens up the diagonal for the White Queen attack
34.Nxc4 Rxc4 (not...dxc4)
Black is now shattered.
|Oct-17-13|| ||LIFE Master AJ: 29.Nd4!, followed by 30.e6! is instantly decisive, I annotated this game for another state's chess newsletter.|
|Oct-17-13|| ||LIFE Master AJ: The threat is 31.NxP/f5+ with mate to follow.|
|Oct-17-13|| ||Overgod: Too easy.|
|Oct-17-13|| ||Vincenze: Seirawan got into a real mess. That was an easy to medium.|
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|Oct-17-13|| ||JG27Pyth: Solved it, and I'm not surprised Seirwan resigned after 30.e6... but continuing 30...fe 31.Nxf5+ Kf7 32.Qg7+ Ke8 the best I can find for white is 33.Qxg6 with white up a piece and holding all the cards ( ) ... I don't see a clear continuation to mate. White has play against both the Black King and Black queen which pretty quickly lead to even more material lost for black... but does somebody see a clean path to mate, cuz I couldn't find it?|
|Oct-17-13|| ||galdur: Nice job by white. Made it look simple. I seemed to be reminded of Bobby.|
|Oct-17-13|| ||Penguincw: I considered 29.Nxe7.|
|Oct-17-13|| ||Patriot: 29.Nxc4 looks like the beginning of a nice combination.|
29...dxc4 30.Nd4 Qd7 31.e6 (attacking the queen while paving the way for a double check) fxe6 32.Nxf5+ at least wins the queen.
29...dxc4 30.Nd4 Qd7 31.e6 Qb7 32.Nxf5+ Kf8 33.Qg7+ Ke8 34.Qxf7#
29...Rxc6 30.bxc6 Qxc6 looks like no problem for white. I'd say this is the best choice for black.
|Oct-17-13|| ||Patriot: Ok, so 29.Nxc4 wins and 29...Rxc6 is best for black. But there's no doubt, 29.Nd4 is more direct and much cleaner.|
|Oct-17-13|| ||Patriot: <morf> <Why can't I ever do this?> You have the same problem?? Me to! :-)|
<agb2002> <29.Nd4 is better than 29.Nxc4 because the latter permits the intermediate 29... Rxc6.> Exactly! I went with 29.Nxc4 as well and there is certainly nothing wrong with it.
|Oct-17-13|| ||savuflorin1983: Nxc4 might be answered by Rxc6, and there is no Nd4 anymore :)|
|Oct-17-13|| ||newton296: 29)Nd4! naka bomb!|
|Oct-17-13|| ||LoveThatJoker: <Bartimaeus> Thanks for the note, man. When I checked the lines last night with the engine, it stated that yours is superior in that the Black K is basically on the edge of the board with a thirsty White Q and N looming forbodingly over him.|
In the line I went with, the moves you presented are (from what I recall) in keeping with what Stockfish presented, but the Black K seems to have more options.
Therefore, your line is clearly the better of the two. I think your line was in the +10.00 (or more even); whereas mine was in the +6.00/+7.00.
Thanks for looking at it though, I appreciate you taking the time to do so sincerely!!
|Oct-17-13|| ||DiceToThat: I really liked this puzzle. Usually the winning move is something much more aggressive, but here the crushing blow seemed like more of a retreat. All sorts of terrible things happen to Black after that Queen moves.|
|Oct-03-16|| ||Xeroxx: Tricky tricky.|
|Jan-19-17|| ||williamschill: Does 28..Bc5 offer any better survival chances?|
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