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Jacob Lissner vs Isaac S Loyd
NJCA ch (1895), Newark, NJ USA, Feb-22
Spanish Game: Steinitz Defense (C62)  ·  1-0

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Jun-13-13  thomastonk: A game of Sam Loyd? "No, I don't believe that" was my first thought, since Black's play is too weak.

And indeed, much more seems to be wrong with this game. Definitely it has not been played in 1897, because several British (!) newspapers published it already in 1895! One of them being the "The Leeds Mercury" of April 13, 1895. There it is stated that the game won the brillancy prize of the annual tournament of the New Jersey Chess Association played on February 22, 1895. Moreover, we learn that the first player is from Newark, and the second is from Jersey City, and the comments were made by Hymes. But, Loyd is there "I.S. Loyd", so my first suspicion seemed to be reasonable.

Then I found the game in the "Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle" of August 21, 1897(!). There it is stated that it has been played on Washington's birthday, that is February 22, 1732 (no, there is no other year mentioned). But we learn that it is a game of brothers: the brother of the winner is a well-known problemist, and the brother of the loser is the celebrated Sam Loyd. Gotcha!

There is indeed a well-known problemist "M.Lissner" in those years, and Gaige has a Morris Lissner (1843-1912).

The New Jersey Chess Association has published in 1908 a booklet on their history. A player named "J. Lissner" appears regularly and in particular as the winner of the brillancy prize in 1895, so, I keep him for sure. But the commentator Hymes is probably not Edward Hymes, because a Nathan(iel) Hymes appears there as player and official. However, all Loyds are written Lloyds, mostly "J.S." and seldom "Thos.". Both point with some probability to brothers of Sam Loyd, I know that, but can we be sure?

And all this questions and doubts because of this mediocre game ...

May-05-15  EddieB: White was Jacob Lissner, brother of the problemist Morris Lissner and of Solomon Lissner, New Jersey champion in 1892. Black was Isaac S. Loyd, brother of Sam[uel] Loyd.
The game was indeed played on February 22nd, 1895, at the New Jersey Chess Association champiomship, at Newark See:Brooklyn Standard Union, 23 MAR 1895; The Literary Digest, 11 SEP 1897, p. 600

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