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|May-24-12|| ||kingscrusher: Honestly without engine checking this final position, didn't most of you think White had winning chances here based on the c5 weakness?!|
Checking with an engine it seems Black can resourcefully sac the c pawn like so:
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 e6 4. Bxc6 bxc6 5. b3 e5 6. Nxe5 Qe7 7. Bb2 d6 8.
Nc4 d5 9. Ne3 d4 10. Nc4 Qxe4+ 11. Qe2 Qxe2+ 12. Kxe2 Be6 13. d3 Nf6 14. Nbd2
O-O-O 15. Rhe1 Be7 16. Kf1 Rhe8 17. Ba3 Nd5 18. Ne4 Nb4 19. Re2 Bxc4 20. bxc4
f5 21. Bxb4 cxb4 22. Nd2 Bd6 23. Rxe8 Rxe8 24. Nb3 c5 25. a3 bxa3 26. Rxa3 Kb7
27. Ra5 a6 (27... Kb6) 28. Nxc5+ Kb6 29. Nb3 Bb4 30. Ra1 Bc3 *
This would give black a dangerous outside passed pawn.
Interesting stuff. Perhaps they should have played on a few more moves to demonstrate this.
The Anti-Sveshnikov system in this game is quite interesting - how black sacced a pawn and seemed to equalise - assuming the doubled pawns weren't really that exploitable - or even after they transformed.
|May-24-12|| ||kingscrusher: Potential position from last post:
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|May-24-12|| ||talisman: <James D Flynn> anand.
<mark> it takes 2 to tango.|
|May-24-12|| ||talisman: thanks to the ladies and chessgames!|
|May-24-12|| ||parisattack: <whiteshark: Uhh, it's already over. Such is chess these days.>|
Bone picking days for classical chess.
|May-24-12|| ||lost in space: Never ever saw a World championship with so many short draws like here. Only one game over 40 moves. It seems they have no fighting spirit. Both of them do not risk anything, both of them do not deserve to be World champion. I hope the one who is winning this joke is wiped away next time.|
|May-24-12|| ||scormus: I'm impressed with Gelfand the way he comfortably equalised after what looked a marginally more difficult position from the opening. Also his attempt to win yesterday. Admirable the way he picked himself up after game 8. My interest in the results leans more in his direction.|
|May-24-12|| ||RookFile: Hey! Maybe Gelfand should play Bxh2! (Hee hee).|
|May-24-12|| ||LIFE Master AJ: <<May-24-12
lost in space: Never ever saw a World championship with so many short draws like here. Only one game over 40 moves. It seems they have no fighting spirit. Both of them do not risk anything, both of them do not deserve to be World champion. I hope the one who is winning this joke is wiped away next time.>>|
Too harsh, IMO. Many times, the WCS is seen as boring to the average fan ... I have seen this all before, practically every World Champ. match.
|May-24-12|| ||RookFile: AJ was there when Steinitz was battling Anderssen.|
|May-24-12|| ||LIFE Master AJ: I am pleased that Gelfand did not self-destruct after game eight, apparently, he had not done well after reversals in the past. (According to several ICC commentators go to http://www.chessclub.com, if you are curious.) |
This is the first match where we have almost unlimited access ... anyone with a computer and Internet access can see the games live. For many - in the past - you had to join a website, (ICC, PlayChess, etc); to get good coverage, today this is no longer true.
Personally, I am enjoying the match ... although we would like to see bloodshed every game, this just is not possible at the pinnacle of chess. (I am reminded of a NASCAR race that I once watched on TV, it was very close, for over an hour 2-3 cars continually jockeyed for position.) Maybe - to the average fan - this is boring, however, for me, I find it stimulating. (The overall prep / "home-cooking" has been pretty good.)
What could be VEY exciting ... if it comes to that ... is a play-off, although my money is on Vishy. (He is one of the best rapid players in the world.)
|May-24-12|| ||niemzo: <lost in space> What about the 1984 match between Kasparov and Karpov? They drew 40 times. Some of those games were under 20 moves. Including 17 straight draws. This whole match easily fits in that stretch.|
|May-24-12|| ||Kinghunt: <RookFile> Bxh2 is actually a fine move f you ignore everything going on on the queenside. The bishop can't be trapped due to black's ability to play f4, fxg3, and Re2. It's just that the a and b pawns are higher priority, and by the time black's done dealing with them, white will do something to prevent Bxh2.|
|May-24-12|| ||ReneDescartes: Someone has probably said this already, but Anand's strategy here may be an attenuated version of Grischuk's strategy in the Candidates' Tournament. Anand is still one of the best rapid players in the world, certainly better than Gelfand; and he is known, along with Kramnik, as the best defender alive today. So he is behaving as if he had draw odds. This certainly backfired in Grischuk's case, but Grischuk was actually weaker in classical chess than his opponents: such a development is less likely in Anand's case. Then why should Anand take unnecessary risks? Should he use a less intelligent strategy for the spectators? Isn't it part of his intelligence to use his strengths, all of them, to place the match on his own territory, as it were?|
|May-24-12|| ||ReneDescartes: Anand came to life, as it were, when he was behind. And now that it's even again...the suffocating blanket comes back down. Each draw brings Gelfand closer to a rapid denoument.|
|May-24-12|| ||Petrosianic: <Anand came to life, as it were, when he was behind.>|
Did he? Or did Gelfand just self destruct?
|May-24-12|| ||kevin86: Another draw! I would suggest that they go to penalty kicks (with steel-toed shoes under the table). This would end forever the idea that chess is a nerd's game. lol|
|May-24-12|| ||ReneDescartes: Well, he set a diabolical tactical trap. If he had miscalculated...|
|May-24-12|| ||ReneDescartes: Though I admit Gelfand's opening was beyond bizarre. More tested was 1.a3!?; It worked against Morphy and Karpov.|
|May-24-12|| ||Alphonse1973: <kevin86: Another draw! I would suggest that they go to penalty kicks (with steel-toed shoes under the table). This would end forever the idea that chess is a nerd's game.> Spanish journalist Leontxo García has proposed that in case of draw, the two players (the champion and the candidate) should have played the blitz games BEFORE the standard-time games, so that if the match finishes in a draw, the winner should be the winner of the initial blitz games.|
|May-24-12|| ||AgentRgent: Is 5...e5 really a Novelty?|
|May-24-12|| ||Fanques Fair: Sveshnikov, who recomends this line for White against 2- Nc6 ( instead of 3-d4, which leads to his famous line played befor in this match) wrote on a article in a Kasparov book on the "openings revolution from the seventies to nowadays" that White shouldn´t hurry to play Bxc6, and that in various cases it´s interesting not to exchange the bishop, and that would lead to a more complicated middle game than the one we´ve seen today. The only lines that kind of force White to play Bxc6 is 3-..., a6 and 3-..., Qb6, which is different from the game. I think it would lead to a more intereting game than White deliberately going for the exchange, as in this game.|
|May-24-12|| ||LIFE Master AJ: <<May-24-12
kevin86: Another draw! I would suggest that they go to penalty kicks (with steel-toed shoes under the table). This would end forever the idea that chess is a nerd's game. lol>>|
Sounds very painful to me! I think I would have to give up chess if this idea caught on ...
|May-24-12|| ||GilesFarnaby: <Kinghunt: <RookFile> Bxh2 is actually a fine move f you ignore everything going on on the queenside. The bishop can't be trapped due to black's ability to play f4, fxg3, and Re2. It's just that the a and b pawns are higher priority, and by the time black's done dealing with them, white will do something to prevent Bxh2.>|
I haven't checked with an engine, but I had this in mind:
...Bh2 g3 f4 Kg2 fxg3 Rh1
|May-24-12|| ||Eyal: According to the press conference, there was a draw offer by Gelfand that came on move 20 and was rejected by Anand, before Anand offered it himself a few moves later. Perhaps Gelfand was sort of "retaliating" for Anand's draw offer in yesterday's game ("Hey, maybe I'm the one who is supposed to be fighting for the draw, but we both know you can't win this now").|
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