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|May-30-12|| ||ArkhamNoir: did someone say Anand Vs. Kasparov Rapid Chess? http://youtube.com/watch?v=5OGjSnzH...|
|May-30-12|| ||amit777: I will have to admit that the rapid chess tiebreak was not as bad as I thought it would be. Is it any worse than having them play, say 30 games all even (assuming we had the time for it?), then someone wins 31 and draws 32 to win the championship? |
At the end of the day, when 2 equally matched players face off, the results will be very close, and that's what we saw in Moscow 2012. Attrition prevailed in the end, and Anand's clock management enabled him to benefit from it today. But both are worthy of the championship in my view, and both showed great class and professionalism.
As for the match style, Vishy put it best. With so few errors happening, any one might prove fatal, and in that vein, both players needed to play more conservatively, and that's what they did, and who am I to blame them?
If you make it a point that you MUST have a clear winner (i.e. no joint championship), then you are left with less than ideal choices in ANY sporting event (think PKs in the World Cup Soccer). I would even prefer adding 2 more rapid chess games with a bigger break in between, before going to blitz. I would have NOT been happy if the championship had been decided in blitz play, and thankfully that did not happen.
It was a great experience watching this match and I really liked the live feed and commentary from a variety of chess stars such as Kramnik. I know I have to visit Tretyakov some day! Also great of Jennifer and Natalia to take time to fraternize with the common people like us during the matches. :)
Most of my fellow kibbitzers were great too, with the possible exception of a few who might have had too much caffeine this morning. :) Get some rest tonight and try some yoga, and the world will be good again...
Congratulations to Vishy and salute to Boris!
|May-30-12|| ||Petrosianic: <At the end of the day, when 2 equally matched players face off, the results will be very close, and that's what we saw in Moscow 2012.>|
Kind of a circular argument. We know they're evenly matched because they tied, and they tied because they're evenly matched. It's self-fulfilling but doesn't demonstrate anything.
The problem with the match was not the draw percentage (tied with KK1 for the highest ever), it's the fact that most of the games were unplayed. It also set a new record for the shortest games of any championship match. The players didn't want to take a chance, so they didn't. They preferred to take their chances in the tiebreak, which is why the tiebreaker should have been played first.
|May-30-12|| ||kasparvez: Congrats Vishy! True, this match was disappointing to most, but its understandable because of the prestige and glory at stake. The players, cautious and solid, mostly played for two results, which is quite typical of match strategies. To my mind, the match somewhat resembled a slow cycle race where the one who crosses the line of mistake, loses! But all said, even in this disappointing match, Anand's tenacity and practical play outshone Gelfand's superior preparation. A deserving victory.|
|May-30-12|| ||pericles of athens: this is the most interesting game of the whole tournament - wish more of the games could have been like this. both players were a day late and a dollar short in my opinion.|
|May-30-12|| ||pericles of athens: <petrosianic>
<...which is why the tiebreaker should have been played first.>
this is brilliant! quite logical. i've never heard this idea before, but i love it. spicy.
|May-30-12|| ||bischopper: other time, dont worry if one not loses is draw...|
|May-30-12|| ||twinlark: <Natalia Pogonina: <LoveThatJoker> A great champion - yes. But greatest ambassador...Anand hasn't ever been active promoting chess or helping improve FIDE. Compare his scale of activity with Kasparov, for instance.>|
I would have to disagree with this.
Please peruse this from chessbase:
<About NIIT MindChampions’ Academy
NIIT MindChampions’ Academy is a joint initiative by NIIT, a leading Global Talent Development Corporation and Asia’s largest IT Trainer, and World Chess Champion Viswanathan Anand, to initiate young minds into the world of chess. Established in 2002, the Academy has fostered over 11,000 chess clubs with more than one million students as its members, in schools across India. GM Viswanathan Anand has personally travelled across India, spreading the message for enhancing thinking skills by learning chess and motivating the school students. NIIT Mind Champions’ Academy conducts an annual event for the academy’s members. The academy provides teaching learning materials on chess, which includes computer based tutorials, video based mentoring by Viswanathan Anand, chess software, puzzles and a database of games.
NIIT Nguru is a smarter education solution for schools that utilizes appropriate technology as backbone and encompasses all the possible components required to make the school smarter. NGuru enables the school to move to a higher plane by introducing innovations in the Computer Lab, Subject lab, classrooms and administration...> http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp...
Anand kick started top level chess in India, and during his time as World Champion hundreds of thousands of children in thousands of schools have started the game in that country. He is a national sporting hero, receiving the Sportstar Millennium Award in 1998 from India's premier sports magazine for being the sportperson of the millennium.
Kasparov has taken on FIDE and lost. He has however helped many schools around Europe and in other continents take on chess, just as Anand has done in India.
|May-30-12|| ||NGambit: <twinlark:> +1|
|May-31-12|| ||GilesFarnaby: <twinlark: Kasparov has taken on FIDE and lost.>|
As of lately, Kasparov has been lobbying extensively, in both the USA and the EU, for the introduction of chess in public schools -so that children have yet another matter in which to be mindraped- and maybe Natalia was referring to that.
|May-31-12|| ||twinlark: <Giles>
I'm not sure I get your drift.
|May-31-12|| ||Shams: Doesn't sound like <Farnaby> is much for public education.|
|May-31-12|| ||RookFile: Gelfand tried manfully in this game, but it was too hard to get winning chances after Anand's excellent opening choice.|
|May-31-12|| ||blazerdoodle: Petrosianic... !!! - the tiebreaker should have been played first.|
pericles of athens: <this is brilliant! quite logical. i've never heard this idea before, but i love it. spicy.>
Took the words right out of my mouth!!! When I read it, I thought, that would have fixed it. Then they would have to battle. One can’t blame them for doing what they did. There weren’t enough games.
Do the tie breaks first, wow...
- hut heck, add a few games to the next one...
|May-31-12|| ||talisman: <Cemoblanca> AGREE!.....|
|Jun-01-12|| ||Zaphod Beeblebrox: I'm an 1800+ rated player from India and I must tell you that the whole minchampions thing is a farce... Anand has hardly ever done anything for chess in india.. he is just hapy with the general gentleman tag he has.. and the course promises you that you "will play like vishy anand at the end of the course".. whom are you kidding?|
|Jun-01-12|| ||Everett: <Zaphod Beeblebrox: I'm an 1800+ rated player from India and I must tell you that the whole minchampions thing is a farce... Anand has hardly ever done anything for chess in india.. he is just hapy with the general gentleman tag he has.. and the course promises you that you "will play like vishy anand at the end of the course".. whom are you kidding?>|
Wow, you are one person and you feel you can represent a whole nation, from the shore to the Himalayas, and all areas in between from city to country? Sounds like all the obtuse Americans on this site.
|Jun-01-12|| ||Everett: Regarding <Giles> I think he is alluding to the fact that new, <mandatory> education, foisted upon students in public education, should be avoided, there being enough between testing and lock-step curriculum to drive our youth batty. But hey, I'm not sure, perhaps he will come back to explicate his post.|
|Jun-01-12|| ||albert babayev: how can isee agame|
|Jun-01-12|| ||talisman: <albert babayev> chessgames.........|
|Jun-02-12|| ||Zaphod Beeblebrox: I never said he should have revolutionised chess. Though I'm sure he can do even that with the kind of awe he inspires here. All I'm saying is he could give a lot more simul displays, guest lectures etc than he does. The least he could do for now is to settle in India.|
|Jun-02-12|| ||Zaphod Beeblebrox: And Everett, I gave my personal views, never said I was representing India. Other Indians are free to publicise their opinions too :)|
|Jun-02-12|| ||Shams: "Beeblebrox"...Punjabi?|
|Jun-02-12|| ||solskytz: Anyone who hasn't heard of an idea to play the tiebreaks first, go to the main WC pages, on 16 and 17 May - you'll find some interesting posts there on that subject.|
|Jun-02-12|| ||Everett: < Zaphod Beeblebrox: And Everett, I gave my personal views, never said I was representing India. Other Indians are free to publicise their opinions too :)>|
Indeed, you have the right to your opinion!
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