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Levon Aronian vs Luke McShane
"Use the Force, Luke" (game of the day Jun-17-2014)
Tal Memorial (2012), Moscow RUS, rd 3, Jun-10
Slav Defense: Chameleon Variation (D15)  ·  0-1


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  Eyal: Press Conference starts from about 18:45:00 in the video feed of the round:
Jun-10-12  solskytz: <Eyal> Uncomfortable... you are right :-]

But life isn't always comfortable, you know :-] we are the exchange up. The exchange!! I mean, it must account for something...

Some people overrate the exchange. I am first in the list!!

When I was a kid and just learned to play, I couldn't care less about losing any pieces at all - except for my rooks and my queen (also the king, maybe..)

Now that I'm old and mature, this childhood trait still jumps out from time to time...

- - - - - -

nah... Aronian admitted that after ...Nc6 he thought that white had the advantage... and how many games he won when he was inferior? A million!

But I could see what a gentle guy he was. He saw what a great moment it was for the 2700+ 'amateur' from England, and let the kid have his win with a full heart!

Aronian is a great player and a fantastic human being.

- - - - - -

And me? Well, I have the utmost respect for Aronian and for every player with a rating 500 points below his own...

but I never take anybody's calculations for granted, as this doesn't lead to learning and improving. I always need to see things for myself. Who knows? Maybe it will help me one day to get rid of my rooks obsession... or to properly value an attack also when it's my king (I always think that it's easier to defend my own king than my adversary's king!)

<Fanques Fair>

So what? The whole 15. Nd2 is refuted? Or only 15. Nd2 0-0 16. f3?

But if I can't play 16. f3, then why 15. Nd2 at all?

Or maybe I need to prepare f3 before playing it?

Too many question marks, too late an hour...

solskytz is still not convinced!!

Guess you can't please everybody :-] I'm a tough client

Jun-10-12  Oxnard: Tremendous game!
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  Tiggler: <Biff The Understudy: <veerar: McShane's win, is reminiscent of Tahl himself.A fitting game in the Tahl Memorial,2012.> Not sure I would have loved Tal the way I do if he had worked for Goldman Sachs. Oh well, it was a beautiful win anyway.>

I am tired of waiting for the combuniss eutopia. I'll go with McShane and Goldman Sachs from now on.

Jun-10-12  weisyschwarz: 35.Qh2. Yuck! Looks like a move I would play.
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  Eyal: <Jimfromprovidence: I think 20 Bxf6 deserves a look. There's an immediate mate threat so black must play 20...Bxf6, which white follows with 21.Qxg4+. if black replies either 21...Kh7 or 21...Bg7, white can go with either 22 Ra2 or Ra7.>

As <Fanques Fair> already mentioned, 22.Ra7 seems problematic because of 22...Qb6 which attacks the rook, and White probably has nothing better than to give back the exchange in an inferior position, e.g. 23.Rxb7 Qxb7 24.Be2 Qa6!; 22.Ra2 e5! is also very unpleasant.

However, Houdini evaluates 20.Bxf6 Bxf6 21.Qxg4+ Kh<8> <22.Ra3> as giving more-or-less equality to White; it took me a while to understand what's the difference, but I think I got it now.

With the rook on a3, White can meet 22...e5 (btw, 22...Rg8?? loses on the spot to 23.Qh5, attacking h6 & b5) with 23.Rh3!. With the rook on a2 this doesn't work because of 23...Bc8 (now the importance of putting the king on h8 rather than h7 becomes apparent - the white queen can't escape to e4 with check); but with the rook on a3 there's 23...Bc8 24.Qh5 Bxh3 25.Rxb3! Bd7 (25...cxb3 26.Qxh6+ Kg8 27.Bd3 and mate) 26.dxe5. And if after 23.Rh3 Black tries 23...exd4 there's 24.Qf4! which pretty much forces 24...Bg7 (24...Kh7 loses again to 25.Rxb3! with the idea of allowing a check on d3 in case of cxb3) and then White can play 25.Nxd4 and if Black wants to win the pawn he'll have to allow a queen exchange.

In conclusion: an immediate 19...h5, defending the g4 pawn, was probably more accurate than 19...Nb3...

Jun-11-12  jaseemalikt: Is this going to be one of McShane's notable games?
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  wordfunph: <jaseemalikt> definitely.
Jun-11-12  izimbra: Black's sacrifice was good. White's best line thereafter was perhaps: <16.Nc2 Be7 17.f3>. It doesn't win, but it gives white an even game.
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  FSR: Luke obviously used The Force.
Jun-11-12  kia0708: Interesting.

<Aronian himself, btw, said in the press conference after the game that once McShane played 14...Nc6 he pretty much realized that he was screwed (not exactly in those words, but this was the substance...), and all the complicated calculations that he made throughout the rest of the game just kept confirming this impression.>

Jun-11-12  Clodhopper: No matter what happens the rest of the tournament, with this one game Luke vindicated the popular acclaim that earned him his spot.
Jun-11-12  Ulhumbrus: Suppose that we assume, as we appear to have been given considerable reason to assume, that the exchange sacrifice is sound.

Suppose that we assume moreover that after 10...Bb7 Black's king's bishop is going to be of greater value than white's queen's rook because of the threat of the check ...Bb4+ following the move ...e6.

This suggests that it is profitable for White to offer his queen's rook for Black's king's bishop.

This suggests that instead of 11 Ra1 a better alternative is 11 Ra3 eg 11 Ra3 e6 12 e3 or even 11 Ra3 e6 12 Rc3

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  Jimfromprovidence: <Eyal> <However, Houdini evaluates 20.Bxf6 Bxf6 21.Qxg4+ Kh<8> <22.Ra3> as giving more-or-less equality to White;>

I did not see the Rh3 angle at all, so that was a real good find.

Overall I liked 20 Bxf6 because it prevents 20...h5 and allows white a small material advantage to compensate for his poor position if he decides to give back the exchange at some point.

One also has to consider the response to 20.Bxf6 Bxf6 21.Qxg4+ Kh8 22.Ra3 Be7, even though it allows 23 Qh5 or Qf4 (used below).

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Maybe white can get a perpetual out of this line.

Jun-12-12  kia0708: This game shattered my trust in computer analysis.
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  Eyal: <This game shattered my trust in computer analysis.>

Why? The engines liked Black's position from the start, and liked it more and more as the game went on.

Jun-12-12  Whitehat1963: What a McShame.
Jun-12-12  vanytchouck: What would be the name of this game ?

"use the force, Luke" ?

"Golden Sac " or "Golden Exchange Sac" ?

May-16-13  qqdos: Christiansen; Marin; Matanovic; Speelman; and Ribli were all impressed with Luke's play in this game, which has been awarded Best Game of volume 115 of Chess Informant - see vol.116. Star moves: 21...Bd6! and 24...Qb6! Congratulations Luke!
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  piltdown man: Sorry, not as good a pun as the outstanding "Use the horse, Luke", in a game which McShane won brilliantly using his knights. And which I don't know how to find.

But a brilliant game by young Luke, nonetheless.

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  piltdown man: Here it is!

Navara vs McShane, 2004

Jun-17-14  goldenbear: Where was the win for White? For the record, I think I would have played 11.Qa1...
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  kevin86: Luke over Levon...sounds good to me.
Jun-17-14  weisyschwarz: Another bright star?
Aug-20-17  Dave12: The position after move 13:

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It is clear that the opening went wrong for white.

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