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Luke McShane vs Vladimir Kramnik
"Ain't That a Shane" (game of the day Nov-21-12)
Tal Memorial (2012)  ·  Spanish Game: Berlin Defense. Rio Gambit Accepted (C67)  ·  1-0
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Jun-16-12  solskytz: The way McShane plays this Q ending shows a technique worthy of a Kramnik game.
Jun-16-12
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  hoodrobin: <whiteshark: 1st win for McShane against Kramnik today?>

How did you know?

Jun-16-12  k.khalil: <"Ain't that a Shane"> Brilliant
Jun-16-12  whithaw: McShane is capable of beating any player in the world...I am a Kramnik fan...and a McShane fan. I just like great players.
Jun-16-12
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  Eyal: <For example, a bit after the time control, when McShane played 42.Qh7+:

the engines were showing as their first recommendation a line where White forces a draw after 42...Ke6 (instead of Kd6, as played by Kramnik) by 43.Qg6+ Ke7 44.Qg7+ etc., but Mcshane wasn't obliged to take the perpetual check - he could have captured the f5 pawn and played on.>

But still, a line such as 42...Ke6 43.Qg6+ Ke7 44.Qxf5 would in all likelihood be significantly better for Black than the game:


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With the king on e7 rather than the Q-side he could play, for example, e4 followed by Qf6, with much better chances of neutralizing White's activity on the K-side.

Jun-16-12  weisyschwarz: What a comedy of errors this game was. Mc Shane was a bit tooooo cautious, waiting too long to queen the pawn.
Jun-16-12
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  Phony Benoni: So Kramnik loses with the Berlin. I assume that the Kasparov Komeback Kommittee is taking close notes.
Jun-16-12  cionics: Can someone please explain why McShane didn't play 64. h8?
Jun-16-12
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  sevenseaman: I watched the game live from move 30 to about 40.

This is inexcusable from the strategy as well as competitive angle. Kramnik had the draw for the taking even after it was clear he had no win.

Jun-16-12
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  FSR: <Phony Benoni: So Kramnik loses with the Berlin. I assume that the Kasparov Komeback Kommittee is taking close notes.>

No doubt. The KKK is always seeking improvements for White.

Jun-16-12
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  Phony Benoni: <cionics: Can someone please explain why McShane didn't play 64. h8?>


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64...Qf3+ 65.Kf1 (not 65.Kg1 Qh1#) Rh1+ 66.Qxh1 Qxh1+ 67.Ke2 Qxc1, and Black is a safe pawn ahead.

Jun-17-12  babakova: I was looking at <66.h8Q Qf3+ 67.Kh2 Qxf2+ 68.Kh3 Qf1+ 69.Kh4 Qh1+ 70.Qh3> during the game and was surprised that it didn't happen since it looks fairly straightforward.
Jun-17-12  myusernameis: Jun-16-12 hellopolgar:

"regarding Kramnik's behavior today...his walking-away-bluff and skipping post game conference both seemed childish but what's worse was that he made tons of noises with his drinking glass when it's McShane's turn...he even slowly poured water out of the water bottle into the his glass right at the table when MCshane was <severely> low on time. Not cool."

thus the pun for the game could be: SIP BY SIP

can't help laughing, sorry

Jun-17-12
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  Eyal: <babakova: I was looking at 66.h8Q Qf3+ 67.Kh2 Qxf2+ 68.Kh3 Qf1+ 69.Kh4 Qh1+ 70.Qh3 during the game and was surprised that it didn't happen since it looks fairly straightforward.>

McShane exaplined that in the press conference after the game. He said that he was worried about 70...Qc1:


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with the threat of check on h6. He immediately added that he's quite certain a computer will find a win here (and there is), but "it's very difficult to play this way with your king floating in mid-air".

Btw, that was apparently also related to why, a few moves later, he played <70.Kh3> instead of Kh2 - he still didn't want to enter the sequence 70.Kh2 Qxf2+ 71.Kh3 Qf1+ 72.Kh4 Qh1+, forgetting (or missing) that now, with the new constellation of queens on the board, the king can escape to g5.

(link to the press conference - http://video.russiachess.org/view/h...)

Jun-17-12  babakova: <Eyal> All right that makes sense, thanks.
Jul-14-12  blazerdoodle: If you're going to comment on Kramniks behavior, at least get it right - him giving McShane the wanker and making faces after spewing all over the board his drink which he -

well... he made it back to the board after after the guys in white suits wrestled him to the ground.

Nov-21-12  The Last Straw: <k.khalil>Good job!

Endgames sometimes disappoint strong players because they count a lot on the numbers of pawns, which the stronger player may have previously sac-ed.

In this case, both sides should know their endgame technique.

Gee....

Nov-21-12  Wyatt Gwyon: Luke's collected some impressive scalps since he's returned from the real world.
Nov-21-12
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  Travis Bickle: Q with 2 pawns up, say goodnight Mr Draw. ; P
Nov-21-12
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  Jack Kerouac: Me and Mr.Lynch discuss why, once again, Java cannot be 'loaded'... http://www.tsutpen.blogspot.com/201...
Nov-21-12
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  kevin86: What an ending Q+R vs Q+R...with queens to come.
Nov-21-12  bischopper: the adventage of a pawn is enought, now two or more pieces it is win...
Nov-21-12
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  Chessmensch: As I suggested when this game was played, the pun should be Dear and Glorious Position. http://www.amazon.com/Glorious-Phys...
Feb-18-13
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  FSR: Use the Force, Luke.
Apr-11-13  gaviero55: That White Queen was worn down to a nub this game. Great play and great result Luke!
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