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| Jun-16-12 | | QueentakesKing: Cramp Neck takes a Luke warm defeat. |
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Jun-16-12
 | | SteinitzLives: Now, after this game, only two points separate first and last place, McShane and Kramnik need to figure out a way to have the energy to play well enough to get a draw tomorrow (unless they get lucky). I'll bet that the other GMs in this tourney were rooting for this game to go 8 hours not just 7. |
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Jun-16-12
 | | whiteshark: Bazinga! |
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| Jun-16-12 | | KKDEREK: <Marmot PFL: Kramnik skips the press conference. He must be exhausted.>
yeah, right.. |
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Jun-16-12
| | whiteshark: Both leaders tokk a heavy beating today.
Such is the tournament merry-go-round. |
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| Jun-16-12 | | BadKnight: McShane deserves a dancing photo. |
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Jun-16-12
 | | achieve: Kramnik blew it; what a Shane. |
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| Jun-16-12 | | Poisonpawns: GOTD: "Shane on you" It was funny that Kramnik did not attend the press conference afterward.Sore loser. If Kramnik won, I am sure that McShane would have been right there in that chair going over the game. |
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| Jun-16-12 | | hellopolgar: Mcshane's 70. Kh3 is not a blunder. He saw the queen + 2 pawns vs queen ending when he played it. it's a trivial win for a super GM. |
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| Jun-16-12 | | FairyPromotion: <AuN1: <Stop by tomorrow morning at 7:00am USA/eastern for the exciting round #8 of the 2012 Tal Memorial. Our featured game will be Carlsen-Tomashevsky.>last place vs. = 1st?isn't there a more pertinent match up?>
I'd agree! Caruana vs Kramnik is the two players tied for 1st going at each other (as well these two have the tie-breaker over the other 3). Radjabov vs Aronian is the most striking one going by name recognition. Maybe the mods take into account the odds of having a decisive result, in which case I'd agree with their choice. Nevertheless, what a wonderful tournament. Tail enders defeated the leaders, creating a 5-way tie entering the 2 final rounds. And I wonder what those claiming Luke McShane didn't belong here after the first two rounds would say about his performance now. Taking down world #2, as well as world #3 (both rated 2800+). I certainly take my hat off. Thanks GM McShane. |
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| Jun-16-12 | | LoveThatJoker: Good for McShane! Truly - this guy is easily the best amateur in the world! God Bless, GM McShane!
:) LTJ |
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Jun-16-12
 | | Ulhumbrus: Kramnik may have underestimated McShane and thought that as a professional he "ought" to outplay an amateur. False reasoning. He ought to do no such thing. Luke McShane could be assumed to be as strong as any of the players there. |
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| Jun-16-12 | | hellopolgar: regarding Kramnik's behavior today...his walking-away-bluff and skipping post game conference both seemed childish but what's worse was that he made tons of noises with his drinking glass when it's McShane's turn...he even slowly poured water out of the water bottle into the his glass right at the table when MCshane was <severely> low on time. Not cool. if he did that to Topalov, I would be the last one complaining but a well mannered, well spoken gentleman like McShane? |
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Jun-16-12
 | | chancho: Kramnik should have been satisfied with a draw when the opportunity presented itself.. His instincts betrayed him. |
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| Jun-16-12 | | Jim Bartle: Once it got down to queen plus pawns, how many moves ahead might the players have been looking? |
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| Jun-16-12 | | KKDEREK: "Ain't that a Shane" (Fats Domino)
Nice pun eh?
;o) |
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| Jun-16-12 | | KKDEREK: <hellopolgar: regarding Kramnik's behavior today...his walking-away-bluff and skipping post game conference both seemed childish but what's worse was that he made tons of noises with his drinking glass when it's McShane's turn...he even slowly poured water out of the water bottle into the his glass right at the table when MCshane was <severely> low on time> Yeah I saw that too..Like "Im here chilling drinking some sparkley water, hurry up boy, time's up"..Good thing that didn't worked. |
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| Jun-16-12 | | messachess: This was really quite a straight forward win.--bad choice of opening & opening play by Kramnik. He violated the most fundamental principle in chess of not leaving your king exposed to attack. |
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Jun-16-12
 | | Eyal: <Kramnik should have been satisfied with a draw when the opportunity presented itself...> Kramnik could have certainly improved on his play at various points, but at least once he decided to fight for a win (presumably) with the aggressive 21...Ke7, I don't know if he had any really "simple" draws for the taking anymore - as long as McShane was determined to fight, that is. For example, a bit after the time control, when McShane played 42.Qh7+: 
click for larger viewthe engines were showing as their first recommendation a line where White forces a draw after 42...Ke6 (instead of Kd6, as played by Kramnik) by 43.Qg6+ Ke7 44.Qg7+ etc., but Mcshane wasn't obliged to take the perpetual check - he could have captured the f5 pawn and played on. The equality shown by the engines throughout a large part of the game wasn't due to forced draws, but rather due to a dynamic equilibrium in a sharp position. |
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Jun-16-12
 | | scormus: "Cool hand Luke" |
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Jun-16-12
 | | FSR: Holy crap. Luke used The Force! |
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Jun-16-12
| | Ulhumbrus: Instead of the withdrawal 12...Ne8, 12...Nf5 gets ready for ...d5. It may however lead to a draw and whether or not for that reason Kramnik does not choose it. 13...Bxd4 is a risky choice, perhaps a mistaken choice if its ultimate result is going to be the wrecking of Black's king side pawn structure. An alternative is 13...d5 but this may lead to a draw. This suggests that Kramnik took at least one risk in the opening, possibly in an attempt to play to win, a risk which may have been too great. 18...f5? may be a losing mistake. It exposes Black's game - particularly the black squares - to attack from White's queen on both the a1-h8 diagonal and the h4-d8 diagonal. The mistake is to make this concession before White has gone to enough trouble to force this concession out of Black. |
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Jun-16-12
| | FSR: <Check It Out: This is how humans play chess! FSR, get those puns ready (depending on the outcome, of course :)> I already submitted "Use the Force, Luke" before I saw your comment. :-) Surprisingly, that pun doesn't seem to have been used before. |
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Jun-16-12
| | Eyal: 23...Qg8(!) is probably a safer way for (at least) equality - the point is that the sequence played by White in the game isn't effective anymore; after 24.Bxe6+ fxe6 25.Qb3 the e6 pawn is defended, so Black has time for 25...b6 and White has helped him to improve his pawn structure. Alternatively, 24.Qb3 Bxc4 25.Qxc4 Re8 26.Qb5+ Kd8 27.R-(moves along the 1st rank) b6 28.Qxf5 Qg6 and after a queen exchange the rook endgame should be drawn. But, as noted, Kramnik was apparently playing for a win. |
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Jun-16-12
 | | Cemoblanca: Well, it was really not a good day for Russia! Kramnik lost, Moro lost & finally the Russian football team was also kicked off from the EURO 2012. There is a little consolation: The only WINNER of the day is Tomashevsky (the sad thing is: He won against his russian fellow), but he's still ranked at the bottom of the list! ;0) |
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