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Alexander Grischuk vs Hikaru Nakamura
Tal Memorial (2012), Moscow RUS, rd 8, Jun-17
Sicilian Defense: Dragon. Yugoslav Attack Panov Variation (B76)  ·  1-0
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Jun-18-12  vinidivici: missed that simple line. tx
Jun-18-12  hellopolgar: Naka tweeted "Sometimes the risk is not worth the reward..." after this game. He was clearly indicating that he purposely chose a bad/risky opening against Grischuk. So yes, he lost because he didn't take Grischuk seriously.
Jun-18-12  King Death: < hellopolgar: Naka tweeted "Sometimes the risk is not worth the reward..." after this game. He was clearly indicating that he purposely chose a bad/risky opening against Grischuk. So yes, he lost because he didn't take Grischuk seriously.>

This doesn't prove that Nakamura failed to take his opponent seriously. Your silliness is a non sequitur. He could've played something super solid that would leave him a good chance at a draw and no real winning chances. I'm sure that if that had happened you'd be right there next to <jombar>, talking about what a (fill in the blank) Nakamura was for not taking a chance.

Jun-18-12  hellopolgar: Nakamura's tweet from the past <"One of the single most disappointing oversights in my whole career. However, I am going to destroy Grischuk like a baby in the blitz.">

Sure it was regarding blitz but he never took Grischuk as seriously as say, Kramnik/Carlsen, even Kamsky.

Jun-19-12  King Death: And how do you know what goes on in Nakamura's head? Are you privy to every one of his innermost thoughts, like <shach matov>, who knows what's in Kasparov's mind better than Garry himself? If that's true, you're wasting your time here for sure, you should be using your "talent" to make some money.
Jun-19-12  Marmot PFL: If I could speculate for a moment about what was in Naka's head, I think he played 16...e5 (better may be piece play with 16...Nd5 17 Bxg7 Qxg7) 17 Be3 Qf7 18 Kb1 intending 18...Nxg4 19 fg4 Qxf1 but decided that white was still better after 20 h5. Still I think that was black's best option as in the 18...d5 line black has almost no play and Qf7 does nothing.
Jun-19-12  belgradegambit: After 9. g4 most of us dragon players routinely play 9...Be6. Yes Naka had just beaten Robson on the White side Nakamura vs Robson, 2012 but Robson was fine out of the opening.
Jun-19-12  hellopolgar: <King Death> it was just an educated guess,no need to be so bitter. i could be wrong but given the way the game was played, i am most likely right.
Jun-19-12  RookFile: Keres said a long time ago that in opposite sides castling, you must pawn storm the other guy's king. White did it and black didn't. Instead black tried for the central pawn majority. Anything is possible but I think that if Naka had to do it all over again we would be seeing moves like .... a5 and ...b5 from him.
Jun-19-12
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  keypusher: <hellopolgar: Naka tweeted "Sometimes the risk is not worth the reward..." after this game. He was clearly indicating that he purposely chose a bad/risky opening against Grischuk. So yes, he lost because he didn't take Grischuk seriously.>

Grischuk is one of the best chessplayers in the world. If Nakamura didn't take him seriously he's a @#$%* idiot.

I don't think Nakamura is a @#$%* idiot.

Jun-19-12  King Death: <keypusher Grischuk is one of the best chessplayers in the world. If Nakamura didn't take him seriously he's a @#$%* idiot.

I don't think Nakamura is a @#$%* idiot.>

This looks right but I wasn't about to waste time trying to explain it to him, he decided that Naka didn't take Grischuk seriously so that's that. Somebody else can explain the meaning of the phrase "non sequitur" to <polgar>.

Jun-20-12  hellopolgar: This is what happens when Nakamura plays serious chess.

Kamsky vs Nakamura, 2012

Jun-20-12
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  keypusher: <hellopolgar: This is what happens when Nakamura plays serious chess.>

Right. And I guess this game is what happens when Alexander Grischuk plays serious chess.

Or do you think all that matters is your opinion of Nakamura's state of mind? And do you think Nakamura is so stupid that he gives his all against the world #13 but takes the world #11 for granted? Would be helpful to know if I should just ignore you in the future.

Jun-20-12  hellopolgar: explain what Nakamura's tweet meant then: "Sometimes the risk is not worth the reward...". he didn't take Alexander Grischuk nearly as seriously as he did Magnus Carlsen
Jun-20-12  King Death: I'll tell you what, if I see Grischuk and Nakamura when I go back to Vegas to play the main event in the WSOP in a couple of weeks I'll ask them if they take playing each other seriously.

<keypusher>, for sheer stupidity this <polgar> deserves a spot in the magic kingdom and I'm kind of leaning that way myself.

Jun-20-12
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  maxi: <King Death> Naka's phrase is vague enough that it really does not mean anything. While polgar's interpretation does not seem the best, perhaps it is better not to get so rattled up about it, it's bad for the blood pressure.
Jun-20-12  hellopolgar: <King Death> you seem to be the kind of person that enjoys/causes drama, i am pretty sure GM's like Grischuk and Nakamura would distance themselves from people you :)
Jun-21-12  King Death: < hellopolgar: <King Death> you seem to be the kind of person that enjoys/causes drama...>

Not really, I like a quiet life but I don't have a lot of patience with fools.

<...i am pretty sure GM's like Grischuk and Nakamura would distance themselves from people you>

At the chessboard they'd crush me and on the felt I'd give them plenty of reason to fear me. Away from the table who knows?

Jun-21-12  Shams: <King Death> Good luck in the Main Event. Are you being staked or did you qualify through satellites? I'm also curious about your tournament strategy. One more thing: you need to beat AK, and to win with it. You heard that here first.
Jun-21-12  King Death: <Shams> Thanks! Actually neither, I'm playing no matter what though I'll probably take one shot in a satellite. On AK: for sure. You can't win tournaments without making good on both sides of that hand.
Jun-21-12  Shams: <KD> If you survive Day 1, you have to out yourself so we can follow your progress online. Deal?
Jun-22-12  Shams: <KD> Nevermind, I figured it out. A couple big clues + google and it's easy.
Jun-22-12  Shams: <KD> Did a GM once resign to you when your bits, to use <kingscrusher>'s term, were arranged thusly?


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Jun-22-12  King Death: <Shams> I don't think so but it's been so long since I played that moving the pieces would be an achievement.
Apr-08-14
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  KWRegan: Sources differ on whether Nakamura played 12...Rc8 and then 13...Qc7 as here, or 12...Qc7 and then 13...Rac8. ChessBase Big 2013 has the latter, while the still-existing ChessBomb live transmission page and the source I used at the time agree on 12...Rc8 as here.

(Houdini 4 at high depth wants to play 12...h5?!! which looks crazy.)

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