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|Jun-17-12|| ||hellopolgar: poor Naka...he totally underestimated Grischuk here.|
|Jun-17-12|| ||pericles of athens: i liked 31. g6 quite a bit :)|
|Jun-17-12|| ||Marmot PFL: Nakamura's first loss with the Dragon?|
|Jun-17-12|| ||HeMateMe: Gris reaches the desired position at move 29: Connected Rooks on an open h file with the opposing king forced out into the open. Time to resign, head for the bar and watch Euro Football 2012.|
|Jun-17-12|| ||shaikriyaz: <HeMateMe: Gris reaches the desired
position at move 29: Connected Rooks on
an open h file>
rooks <double on a file> and <connect on a rank> or that's how I thought it is. Could someone correct me?
|Jun-17-12|| ||OBIT: This is just an opinion, of course, but Nakamura's opening choice for this game seems dubious to me. At the U.S. Champioship, he was a half point behind tournament leader Gata Kamsky when he faced Kamsky in the second to last round. This was a must win situation, and Nakamura had the Black pieces. Nakamura went with a Najdorf, outplayed Kamsky to win this critical game, and ultimately won the title.|
So, here at the Tal Memorial, Nakamura was in another situation where he had to win with Black. I suppose it could be argued that Grischuk would be anticipating another Najdorf, but I believe switching to the Dragon Variation for this game helped his opponent. In the Dragon, it's often possible for a player who knows the main lines to rattle off at least 20 moves before he has to start thinking. Since a key facet of Nakamura's game is working on his opponent's clock, playing an opening where the opponent can play 20 moves from memory lessens the likelihood of time pressure. The attack against the Dragon is also more mechanical for the White player - push the kingside pawns, open a file, and see what happens - while the Najdorf requires much more of a positional feel.
You can expect the better player to win a game that starts with a Najdorf, while the Dragon is often a crap shoot. So, if Nakamura believed he was the better player, why not play a more subtle opening and try to outplay him? It worked against Kamsky.
|Jun-17-12|| ||fisayo123: There is no proof suggesting Nakamura is even better than Grischuk. I personally feel Sasha is stronger.|
|Jun-17-12|| ||Xeroxx: The Dragon sux. Don't play it if you don't want to lose.|
|Jun-17-12|| ||dumbgai: Who was the guy who said that Nakamura has Grischuk's number? Score is now 2-2 in classical games.|
|Jun-17-12|| ||maxi: The variation Nakamura chose, 9...NxN, has very bad stats, and logically so. In one move Black gives away his counterattack Knight and obsequiously places White's Bishop on the dragon diagonal. After 11.Nd5 White has a pleasant game.|
|Jun-18-12|| ||vinidivici: what if 31...Kxg6?|
|Jun-18-12|| ||Sastre: <vinidivici: what if 31...Kxg6?>|
31...Kxg6 32.Rg1+ Kf6 33.Rh6+ Ke5 34.Re1.
|Jun-18-12|| ||vinidivici: missed that simple line. tx|
|Jun-18-12|| ||hellopolgar: Naka tweeted "Sometimes the risk is not worth the reward..." after this game. He was clearly indicating that he purposely chose a bad/risky opening against Grischuk. So yes, he lost because he didn't take Grischuk seriously.|
|Jun-18-12|| ||King Death: < hellopolgar: Naka tweeted "Sometimes the risk is not worth the reward..." after this game. He was clearly indicating that he purposely chose a bad/risky opening against Grischuk. So yes, he lost because he didn't take Grischuk seriously.>|
This doesn't prove that Nakamura failed to take his opponent seriously. Your silliness is a non sequitur. He could've played something super solid that would leave him a good chance at a draw and no real winning chances. I'm sure that if that had happened you'd be right there next to <jombar>, talking about what a (fill in the blank) Nakamura was for not taking a chance.
|Jun-18-12|| ||hellopolgar: Nakamura's tweet from the past <"One of the single most disappointing oversights in my whole career. However, I am going to destroy Grischuk like a baby in the blitz.">|
Sure it was regarding blitz but he never took Grischuk as seriously as say, Kramnik/Carlsen, even Kamsky.
|Jun-19-12|| ||King Death: And how do you know what goes on in Nakamura's head? Are you privy to every one of his innermost thoughts, like <shach matov>, who knows what's in Kasparov's mind better than Garry himself? If that's true, you're wasting your time here for sure, you should be using your "talent" to make some money.|
|Jun-19-12|| ||Marmot PFL: If I could speculate for a moment about what was in Naka's head, I think he played 16...e5 (better may be piece play with 16...Nd5 17 Bxg7 Qxg7) 17 Be3 Qf7 18 Kb1 intending 18...Nxg4 19 fg4 Qxf1 but decided that white was still better after 20 h5. Still I think that was black's best option as in the 18...d5 line black has almost no play and Qf7 does nothing.|
|Jun-19-12|| ||belgradegambit: After 9. g4 most of us dragon players routinely play 9...Be6. Yes Naka had just beaten Robson on the White side Nakamura vs Robson, 2012 but Robson was fine out of the opening.|
|Jun-19-12|| ||hellopolgar: <King Death> it was just an educated guess,no need to be so bitter. i could be wrong but given the way the game was played, i am most likely right.|
|Jun-19-12|| ||RookFile: Keres said a long time ago that in opposite sides castling, you must pawn storm the other guy's king. White did it and black didn't. Instead black tried for the central pawn majority. Anything is possible but I think that if Naka had to do it all over again we would be seeing moves like .... a5 and ...b5 from him.|
|Jun-19-12|| ||keypusher: <hellopolgar: Naka tweeted "Sometimes the risk is not worth the reward..." after this game. He was clearly indicating that he purposely chose a bad/risky opening against Grischuk. So yes, he lost because he didn't take Grischuk seriously.>|
Grischuk is one of the best chessplayers in the world. If Nakamura didn't take him seriously he's a @#$%* idiot.
I don't think Nakamura is a @#$%* idiot.
|Jun-19-12|| ||King Death: <keypusher Grischuk is one of the best chessplayers in the world. If Nakamura didn't take him seriously he's a @#$%* idiot.|
I don't think Nakamura is a @#$%* idiot.>
This looks right but I wasn't about to waste time trying to explain it to him, he decided that Naka didn't take Grischuk seriously so that's that. Somebody else can explain the meaning of the phrase "non sequitur" to <polgar>.
|Jun-20-12|| ||hellopolgar: This is what happens when Nakamura plays serious chess.|
Kamsky vs Nakamura, 2012
|Jun-20-12|| ||keypusher: <hellopolgar: This is what happens when Nakamura plays serious chess.>|
Right. And I guess this game is what happens when Alexander Grischuk plays serious chess.
Or do you think all that matters is your opinion of Nakamura's state of mind? And do you think Nakamura is so stupid that he gives his all against the world #13 but takes the world #11 for granted? Would be helpful to know if I should just ignore you in the future.
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