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Sergey Karjakin vs Vladimir Kramnik
Dortmund (2012)  ·  Scotch Game: Mieses Variation (C45)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Jul-13-12
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  Eyal: Kramnik won with Black a brilliant game in this line: Shirov vs Kramnik, 2011.
Jul-13-12
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  Eggman: With 9.Nc3 we have varied from Kasparov vs Karpov, 1990, one of the key games that brought this variation to top flight chess.
Jul-13-12  kangaroo13: what did i miss
Jul-13-12  cormier: b3 ...
Jul-13-12
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  WinKing: Opening Explorer
Jul-13-12  cormier: kids ...
Jul-13-12  cormier: lol ...
Jul-13-12  cormier: the double black c pawn are ??
Jul-13-12
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  Strongest Force: I'd rather see a gin and juice
Jul-13-12  cormier: Qc5 or Qb4
Jul-13-12
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  Eggman: Only two games on the database have reached the position after 10.b3. Both games saw 10...O-O-O.
Jul-13-12
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  Eyal: 10.b3 is less common than Qe4.
Jul-13-12  kangaroo13: according to the opening explorer of chess games black win win in this opening
Jul-13-12  cormier: white has a tarket <a6>
Jul-13-12  eternaloptimist: <Eggman> U r right about that K-K game in the Lyon/NYC WC match in '90 being a key in the resurgence of the Scotch. It was pretty much dead until Kasparov brought it back & lately it has been really popular so white can avoid playing against drawing openings like the Ruy Lopez (Berlin defense) & the Petroff defense.
Jul-13-12
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  waustad: It is strange that something as dyamic as the Marshall in the Ruy was called a drawing weapon too. Styles change.
Jul-13-12
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  Eyal: Scotch is pretty much off the table if Black plays 2...Nf6, do it doesn't really help to avoid the Petroff.
Jul-13-12
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  Sneaky: Personally I believe that nearly all of the old-fashioned openings are perfectly playable. Kasparov re-introduced the Scotch, Larsen had a fondness for the King's Bishop Opening (1.e4 e5 2.Bc4), Kramnik brought the Dutch Defense out of the club-level. I believe that unless an opening flagrantly violates principles, it will never be refuted.
Jul-13-12  eternaloptimist: <waustad> Excellent point & in this article GM Kaufman mentions that black has excellent drawing chances w/ the Marshall by giving up a P to obtain the B pair. Look under the section "THE BISHOP PAIR".
Jul-13-12
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  SCUBA diver: I think white is in trouble already.
Jul-13-12  eternaloptimist: http://home.comcast.net/~danheisman...
Jul-13-12
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  Eyal: Still following (with 12...f6) M Pavlovic vs D Blagojevic, 2001 in this database.
Jul-13-12
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  whiteshark: There's a full chapter (no.5) analysis on <The Scotch Endgame> in Esben Lund's "Rook vs two minor pieces" (quality chessbooks). There it goes with ...g6/Bg7 which doesn't apply here.
Jul-13-12  eternaloptimist: Of course there r some players who get a good attack w/ black in the Marshall. A lot of it depends on your motives (whether u want a draw or r determined to play for a win). That's an excellent article! Its definitely worth the time if u guys want to check it out!
Jul-13-12  Powerthinker: Yes, I think that the white is in the trouble, too. Black is ahead in development and it will cost for white at least a pawn.
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