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Jul-14-12
 | | Tomlinsky: <messachess: Who was Kasparov's last game (before his retirement) as black against in the KID?> As far as I am aware, the last time that Kasparov played the black side of a King's Indian before his retirement was against Kramnik in a Moscow blitz tournament Kramnik vs Kasparov, 1998. His disastrous results with it at Linares 1997 was where he dropped the KID from his main repertoire including the loss against Kramnik in Round 5 Kramnik vs Kasparov, 1997. |
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| Jul-14-12 | | Everett: Kasparov played everything so well, but I imagine he enjoyed the piece play and openness of the Grunfeld more than the KID. Among other things, I think his abondonment of both really hurt his chances in 2000. In contrast, Radjabov in his youth played the French and Dutch Stonewall, positions that had relatively locked pawn structures. The KID for him was likely a natural progression. |
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| Jul-14-12 | | Everett: <Jul-14-12 JoergWalter: <messachess> I think Kasparov's last game was this one
Topalov vs Kasparov, 2005
pay now.>
His last KID. You pay now. |
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Jul-14-12
 | | perfidious: <Everett: Kasparov played everything so well, but I imagine he enjoyed the piece play and openness of the Grunfeld more than the KID. Among other things, I think his abondonment of both really hurt his chances in 2000....> In that match, the loss with his beloved Gruenfeld in game 2 may well have brought about a psychological crisis; after the difficulties Kasparov had already had against Kramnik's treatment of the King's Indian, who knows? Whatver the truth, it was curious indeed to see Kasparov trot out the Nimzo-Indian (which he'd seldom used in his career, unlike many of his contemporaries), after the shocker with those QGAs. <....In contrast, Radjabov in his youth played the French and Dutch Stonewall, positions that had relatively locked pawn structures. The KID for him was likely a natural progression.> When he was younger still, Radjabov destroyed me with a Modern (1.d4 g6 2.e4 Bg7 3.c3 d6 4.f4 Nf6) in a Dos Hermanas online qualifier. Lot more fluid than those first two openings. |
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Jul-14-12
 | | Garech: The ironic thing about this superb game is that Kramnik is playing the opening he refuted! -Garech |
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| Jul-14-12 | | Everett: <perfidious> <<....In contrast, Radjabov in his youth played the French and Dutch Stonewall, positions that had relatively locked pawn structures. The KID for him was likely a natural progression.> When he was younger still, Radjabov destroyed me with a Modern (1.d4 g6 2.e4 Bg7 3.c3 d6 4.f4 Nf6) in a Dos Hermanas online qualifier. Lot more fluid than those first two openings.> Well, when you're good, you're good, yeah? Radjabov can play anything... I'm just talking predilections. And I don't know how your game went, but moderns and pircs (which i think is what that became) might stay fluid, but they certainly are not open. Did he eventually push e5 or c5? |
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Jul-14-12
 | | SetNoEscapeOn: guy is pretty good |
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| Jul-14-12 | | vinidivici: i think the early development means nothing to kramnik in this game. The queen's side bishop and rook stayed still until move 17. Anyway, he won it, so no problem |
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Jul-14-12
 | | messachess: OK. I'll pay. I hope you all won't be too disappointed if I inform you that I denominated my bet in the currency of my praise for your sagacious intellects. I think that's generous payment considering the high opinion that I have of my own:o$ |
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| Jul-14-12 | | WiseWizard: <visayanbraindoctor> Remember you spoke of Kramnik switching to a more tactical, aggressive style? It seems the metamorphosis is complete, perfectly. |
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| Jul-14-12 | | Edmontonchessclub: Beautiful game! |
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Jul-14-12
| | perfidious: < Everett: Well, when you're good, you're good, yeah? Radjabov can play anything... I'm just talking predilections. And I don't know how your game went, but moderns and pircs (which i think is what that became) might stay fluid, but they certainly are not open. Did he eventually push e5 or c5?> All three games I had as White went 5.Bd3 e5. This is a Modern, not a Pirc-no Nc3. The only time I ever played this for Black, my opponent played the other main line with 5.e5. Here's an entertaining game in 5.e5 where one of the greatest masters ever in complex positions loses his way in complications: Tal vs Vadasz, 1977. |
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| Jul-14-12 | | dumbgai: <checkmateyourmove: kramnik should of played all his WCC in dortmund, because he is a beast when he is in germany:)> His match with Anand was in Germany. |
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| Jul-15-12 | | JoergWalter: <Everett:
His last KID. You pay now.>
oh yes, I need a new pair of glasses.
The money left I'll transfer. |
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| Jul-15-12 | | Atking: Not far to be a miniature. A KID, and a memorable one, in Kramnik's hands. The very imaginative 13...a5 seems dubious but 14...a4 looks so strong... Maybe black'13 move more deeper than its look... Please to see Kramnik playing like he used in his youth. |
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Jul-15-12
 | | whiteshark: From the press conderence / tournament page:
Insbesondere Wladimir Kramik gelang gegen Jan Gustafsson eine begeisternde Partie. Er überraschte seinen Gegner mit der Königsindischen Verteidigung, die er in einer klassischen Partie das letzte Mal im Jahr 1997 angewandt hatte (Piket vs Kramnik, 1997). In Gustafssons Leib- und Magenvariante setzte er im 13. Zug seinen a-Bauern in Bewegung. <„Das sieht total absurd aus, aber dem Computer gefällt es. Mir kam diese Idee vor einigen Jahren, als ich die Variante aus weißer Sicht betrachtete“>, äußerte sich der Russe im Anschluss. Einige Züge später opferte Kramnik die Qualität, gewann aber dafür den weißen a-Bauern. Danach fand der Deutsche keine Verteidigung gegen das Vorrücken des schwarzen a-Bauern, der zur Dame lief. <„Mit dem Start ins Turnier bin ich zufrieden. Ich hatte zwei Mal Schwarz und mit 1,5 Punkten gegen zwei starke Spieler war nicht unbedingt zu rechnen“>, beschloss der 37-jährige Russe seinen Kommentar gegenüber den Pressevertretern. |
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Jul-15-12
 | | Check It Out: English? |
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Jul-15-12
| | whiteshark: <CIO> No, it's German. ;D First Aid: http://translate.google.de/ |
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Jul-15-12
 | | Eyal: Here's a google translation of the whole thing: http://translate.google.co.il/trans... Kramnik says that 13...a5 looks totally absurd, but the computer likes it; he got this idea a few years ago, when he was looking at the variation for White. And when he was preparing for the game, he noticed that Gustafsson had already played this variation [J Gustafsson vs S Maze, 2011 ]. One nice sideline mentioned in the comments is 23.Bc4 Bxe3+ 24.Kh1 Nb4 25.Re1 Nc2 26.Re2 Bf5 27.d6 Kf8 28.d7 Ke7 29.g4 Bd3! 30.Bxd3 a2 and the pawn queens. |
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| Jul-15-12 | | abuzic: <Eyal:
One nice sideline mentioned in the comments is 23.Bc4 Bxe3+ 24.Kh1 Nb4 25.Re1 Nc2 26.Re2 Bf5 27.d6 Kf8 28.d7 Ke7 29.g4 Bd3! 30.Bxd3 a2 and the pawn queens.> 23.Bc4 Bxe3+ 24.Kh1 Nb4 25. a1 Bc5 <25...Nc2 26.Ra2> 26.Rxa3 Nxd5 27.Rb3. The pawn does not promote and white is still in the game. |
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Jul-15-12
 | | Beholder: Chessbase got a report on round 2 with this game annotated by GM Alejandro Ramirez-Alvarez http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... |
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Jul-15-12
 | | Ulhumbrus: Following the move 13...a5 the move 13...a4 is going to come with tempo. After 16 exd5, 16...a3 will also come with tempo. After 17 b3 Nc6 comes again with tempo. All these gains of tempo for Black suggest that White does not have time to play 14 Qb3. One alternative to 14 Qb3 is 14 Bb5 removing the bishop from the e file and so from indirect attack from Black's rook on e8, and another alternative is 14 a4 preventing the further advance of Black's a pawn.. |
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| Jul-15-12 | | voyager39: This one game of Kramnik is worth 25 recent games of Carlsen and 100 recent games of Ananad. Pure and classic genius. |
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Jul-15-12
| | Ulhumbrus: Black's has not played the move ...Nbd7 before he makes the exchange 8...exd4. One point of this is that after 9 Nxd4 Re8 10 f3 Black's queen is not obstructed on the d file by a knight on d7 and so she is able to support the pawn advance 10...d5. This seems useful to know about. |
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| Jul-16-12 | | Raginmund: Nothing to say about a Genius.
Kramnik for ever !!!!! |
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sac: 18...Rxe3