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Mateusz Bartel vs Arkadij Naiditsch
Dortmund Sparkassen (2012), Dortmund GER, rd 5, Jul-17
Spanish Game: Berlin Defense (C65)  ·  0-1
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Jul-17-12  I Love You: What if Bartel takes the pawn, hxg4?
Jul-17-12  Marmot PFL: < I Love You> Then Bg5+ wins the B on d2
Jul-17-12  I Love You: Thanks <Sir Marmot>
Jul-17-12  ajile: <Marmot PFL:>

Beat me to it.

:o)

g4 clears the g5 square for the skewer.

Jul-17-12  Ghuzultyy: Wow he won!
Jul-17-12  karnak64: Wonderful stuff. Thanks, chessgames, for the triple-bill.
Jul-17-12  blazerdoodle: Going into a game down with Bishops against rooks is a talent I don't have, and for a while I thought Bartel could hold on for the draw, but somewhere in those first twenty moves, he got a disadvantage that could only rectified with a draw.

That was, is mean, uh, to be a question. Whew. What game.

Jul-17-12  OBIT: In the distant future, when ten-piece tablebases are available, our children's children will learn that the position at move 70 is a draw with best play, but only because it takes Black 320 moves to force an exchange or pawn move to a simpler win.
Jul-17-12  sevenseaman: Wow, I couldn't have won it in a lifetime! You got to put your brains out on a table and see how it works.
Jul-17-12
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  Gregor Samsa Mendel: So was 108 Bd2 the fatal blunder, because it allowed black to advance the g-pawn? Or was white already lost at this point?
Jul-17-12  Marmot PFL: White is already lost, as black threatens Ra2, which 108 Bd2 tried to prevent. Black is kind of in zugzwang as the KB can't move without losing material, 108 Kd3 loses to Ra2 when Bb5 is not possible, if 108 Kf3 Ra2 and the threat of Ra3 prevents Bb5, and if the DSB moves, say 108 Bg7 then Ra2 109 Bb5 Ra3+ wins h3.

I am not sure if 102 Kc2 (stopping Rb3) would have held, but after 102 Bg4 it seems white is lost.

Jul-17-12
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  Eyal: <So was 108 Bd2 the fatal blunder, because it allowed black to advance the g-pawn? Or was white already lost at this point?>

Position after 107...Kd5:


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Apparently White is already lost here, because without Bd2 Black is going to play Ra2 and win one of the pawns, e.g. 108.Kd3 Ra2 and there's no Bb5 (whereas 108.Kf3 Ra2 109.Bb5 Ra3 wins the bishop on c3); 108.Be1 Ra2 109.Bb5 Ra3+ followed by Rxh3.

Running it by Houdini, the decisive mistake was 102.Bg4 (Kc2 instead should hold the fort) - that's where the evaluation jumps in favor of Black; before that, it remains stable for 40 moves (since move 62 - after Kf3?? Naiditsch missed an opportunity to finish the game by 62...Rc7! winning one of White's bishops).

Jul-17-12
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  Gregor Samsa Mendel: <Marmot>, <Eyal>--Thanks.
Jul-17-12
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  Eyal: Must have been very depressing for Bartel, who is having a rather nightmarish tournament, especially considering that when 108...g4! came it was already getting close to 50 moves since the previous pawn move (70...g5).
Jul-17-12  twinlark: <Gregor Samsa Mendel: So was 108 Bd2 the fatal blunder, because it allowed black to advance the g-pawn? Or was white already lost at this point?>

White was already lost by this point. It was probably technically drawn until White incautiously played <102. Bg4??> allowing Black a game-winning tempo by pinning the bishop with <102...Rb3!>:


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threatening to win instantly with <103...Bf6>.

White has to unpin which gives Black the time to threaten first the a-pawn, positioning himself to take the 7th rank and then the h-pawn after the King squeezes White's LSB off the protection of one of these pawns.

Bartel plays the only move to protect the h-pawn with <107. Bf1> and then hastens the end with <108. Bd2>, but he was already lost by then, for example:

if instead after <107...Kd5>:


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White players <108. Kd3>, then <108...Ra2> and White's King blocks the LSB from protecting the a-pawn.

If <108. Kf3 Ra2> threatens both the a-pawn and to fatally pin the DSB.

Incidentally, <62. Kf3? Rc7!> followed by <63...Rd7> would have forced instant resignation.

Jul-17-12  twinlark: <Eyal>

You beat me to it. Never mind, we came to the same conclusion.

Jul-18-12  milanmaheshwari: dont understand why the pawn was not taken? can any one explain pls
Jul-18-12  pajaste: repeating whoa... one for the 10-piece tablebases?
Jul-18-12  twinlark: <milanmaheshwari: dont understand why the pawn was not taken? can any one explain pls>

If <110. hxg4 Bg5+> wins the bishop.

Jul-18-12  vinidivici: i think with best play it would be a draw.
Jul-18-12
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  bubuli55: < Jul-17-12
†† Ulhumbrus: If Black cannot force his way in he may be able to play for zugzwang instead. >

it escaped me because of the openness of the position and the range of those major pieces.

< Ulhumbrus >. I will remember this as the Ulhumbrus endgame

Nice call!

Jul-19-12
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  HeMateMe: hard work, and a win.
Jul-20-12  Shams: Tkachiev assails White's play here:

"The way Bartel approached the opening strongly recalls the play of a beginner. Heís a sufficiently high-class chess player to simply create a safe position, but he doesnít want to listen to the voice of reason and time and again he gets carried away. [Ö] In general you can simply skip the opening in Bartelís games. The fact that he then began to make moves like 16.f4, 17.Bd2, 18.e5, 19.Rae1 is mind-boggling. The impression was that he was suffering from some kind of hallucination, and heíd transferred himself from Dortmund to a simultaneous exhibition somewhere. Did he really think he could just line up everything in the centre, carry out e5 and give mate? [Ö] In 4-5 moves he managed to turn a better position into a hopeless one. Itís not that easy to do! [Ö] An ugly game from beginning to end. It was tough for one, and tough for the other as he just couldnít win. A vicious circle. I donít even want to get into the particulars. Naiditsch won and so be it. Iíve got no pity for Bartel at all."

http://www.whychess.org/ru/node/2288

Jul-20-12
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  perfidious: <Shams> Reading Tkachiev's criticsm of Bartel's opening play seemed a bit over the top-then I played through the first few moves. Bartel didn't start to put up a fight until he was already losing, and 5.h3? Where did that come from? It seems to have been played a fair amount, but doesn't look impressive. I'll leave it to a super GM who understands far more than I to explain this one.
Jul-26-12
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  Honza Cervenka: <Bartel didn't start to put up a fight until he was already losing, and 5.h3? Where did that come from?> 5.h3 is not so bad as the position is closed and one tempo plays no role here. The purpose of the move is also quite clear. It takes away point g4 from black Bishop or Knight avoiding thus sometimes a bit disturbing pin or attack against DSB after eventual Be3. On the other hand, 16.f4 and 18.e5 were lemons as Tkachiev suggested. Instead of that after 16.Rb1 b5 17.Bb3 white looks fine.
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