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|Aug-02-12|| ||Marmot PFL: peak age may have been higher in the early 70s, as there was a dominant core of strong Soviet players that were hard to displace even as they aged. For years there was Spassky, Petrosian, Geller, Tal, Smyslov, Keres, etc and not that much younger talent breaking through except Karpov. Soviet defector Korchnoi is especially interesting, one of very few players to hit his peak after 40.|
|Aug-02-12|| ||Peligroso Patzer: <Marmot PFL: <Going back to my early days in chess (1970s), there was a body of evidence leading to the age of 35 as the peak.>|
It's not easy to measure, but I did a quick average age of the current top 25 and got 29.76 years. It's also hard to say if there is much change or not without quite a bit of work. I wish chessmetrics would update their site (stopped in 2005).>
One study that would be interesting would be an analysis of rates of decline in rating (using games played as the denominator) of various players over various age ranges.
One other thought on this topic: Decline in chessplaying strength with age is hypothesized to be related to decline in short-term memory. (Query how srong that correlation.) In any case, decline in short-term memory with age is something that would be more directly measurable than chessplaying strength, and some good studies have presumably already been done (although I am not familiar with them or otherwise at-all well-informed on the subject of memory studies).
|Aug-02-12|| ||Marmot PFL: <Peligroso Patzer:> Time seems to go by faster with age, partly because of the brain working more slowly. In my 20s I was almost never in time trouble but after the early 40s I couldn't seem to avoid it. Memory also suffers.|
|Aug-02-12|| ||perfidious: The Soviet system, for more than one reason, failed to produce a world title contender from Tal (b 1936) to Karpov (b 1951). Yes, Spassky was actually almost three months younger than Tal but was a Candidate before Tal even qualified for an Interzonal.|
|Aug-02-12|| ||Eyal: in the post-game analysis with Bischoff (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ym8...) Carlsen regrets playing 48.Rh8, thinking that 48.Rh6 gave the best winning chances, e.g. 48...Ra3 49.Kd2 Ba6 50.Ne1 and there's no perpetual draw after 50...Ra2+ 51.Nc2.|
|Aug-02-12|| ||frogbert: <One study that would be interesting would be an analysis of rates of decline in rating (using games played as the denominator) of various players over various age ranges.>|
i've already done quite a lot of such calculations, over all rating lists since july 1990, but i haven't been really systematic or summarized my findings. but i've got the tools needed to answer most questions related to rating development at different ages, for different activity levels, for different rating rages, and such.
one of the clearest and simplest results is that decline and low activity are related, and similarly that high activity and progress are related. of course, it's not very hard to find several explanations for these observations.
|Aug-02-12|| ||parmetd: Even Carlsen agreed with me that he thought black was better at some point... http://www.arcticsec.no/index.php?b...|
|Aug-02-12|| ||csmath: <Even Carlsen agreed with me that he thought black was better at some point>|
However he says that he liked his position out of the opening. I would dread to have something like that. It looked to me it is barely hanging on both sides but I could see very natural moves for black easier.
|Aug-02-12|| ||parmetd: I agree. But the blog wasn't terrible specific at what points for either side. Nor do I expect a player of his caliber to be overly negative about his position ever unless it is clearly lost.|
|Aug-02-12|| ||csmath: The whole game was a surprise to me. I started watching it at 17-18th move and at first I though that was some weird KID with opposite castling. Then I saw they started it as Berlin! Granted I have never played Berlin so I am not familiar with variations. |
I believe Magnus because he did study Berlin and he is familiar with this. He has become more of a positional player lately but he has tremendeous tactical ability which he used more than often when he was younger. He is certainly not afraid of any complications.
|Aug-02-12|| ||parmetd: I can tell you that 6. Nbd2 is very unusual. Adams played it against me in a Simul. I drew him with ease. 7. b3 is also unusual. And with 7... Ng4 we already down to one game. 9. Qe2 is already a Novelty. (Adams played 7. 0-0 against me).|
|Aug-03-12|| ||parmetd: Bacrot said he played this 7... Ng4 once before in a game that didn't make the database. Can anyone find it?|
|Aug-03-12|| ||QueentakesKing: I'm glad that Luke McShane was not in this tournament,whew! Otherwise, he could have handed the championship to Carlsen(See McShane v. Carlsen,2012 Tal Memorial).|
|Aug-03-12|| ||latvalatvian: Carlsen seems to understand basic chess principles|
|Aug-04-12|| ||perfidious: <QueentakesKing: I'm glad that Luke McShane was not in this tournament,whew! Otherwise, he could have handed the championship to Carlsen(See McShane v. Carlsen,2012 Tal Memorial).>|
Of course, by the 'simple' expedient of someone else making +3 or more, they could also have given you your heart's desire and deprived Carlsen of his victory.
|Aug-06-12|| ||QueentakesKing: <perfidious> translation please.|
|Aug-06-12|| ||QueentakesKing: I would like to commend Etienne for playing 'normally'! If I am not mistaken this game was played in the last round.( No suspicion whatsoever). Unlike the game I had mentioned below.|
|Aug-06-12|| ||perfidious: < QueentakesKing: I would like to commend Etienne for playing 'normally'!....>|
'Normally', as opposed to what?
<....If I am not mistaken this game was played in the last round.( No suspicion whatsoever). Unlike the game I had mentioned below.>
It was indeed the last round, though if you've no suspicions over the circumstances, why bring it up? Are you implying that McShane gave less than his best? Funny how one strong GM can make another look bad when he/she isn't quite on form.
|Aug-06-12|| ||Eyal: <perfidious> Haven't you looked at McShane vs Carlsen, 2012? He isn't "implying", he's openly accusing McShane again and again in losing on purpose (supporting this with some highly subtle and convincing arguments, such as <Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!>), and calls the English federation to investigate... I'm a bit surprised, btw, he hasn't contacted yet the American federation as well, to investigate what Nakamura did in the last round of the Tal Memorial last year (Nakamura vs Carlsen, 2011), also giving Carlsen the tournament win; or, for that matter, the Hungarian federation to investigate what happened in the last round of 2009 (Leko vs Carlsen, 2009). There's clearly some wide-ranging plot going on here, to let Carlsen win in the final rounds of tournaments.|
|Aug-06-12|| ||Rolfo: Kingtakesqueen is really in an opposite reality ;)|
|Aug-06-12|| ||perfidious: <Eyal> No, hadn't got to that page yet, but it must be a subplot of the whole pampered goldfish thing. First we exclude a certain Filipino, then make sure Carlsen wins everything in sight-except when he doesn't!|
In a while I'll have a go, when I'm ready for a laugh.
|Aug-12-12|| ||QueentakesKing: <I have nothing personal against Luke McShane> I stand by on what I said about the McShane v. Carlsen. And why a brilliant player suddenly went suicidal? Did he throw away a drawable game? Took a dive? Etc. This game is a specimen for inquiry. I not only call for the english chess federation but FIDE as well, first and foremost. And may I also invite 'legal'chess experts and analysts to post their opinions and comments. The 'errors' and 'mistakes' by white were too obvious and vulgar.|
|Aug-12-12|| ||QueentakesKing: <Eyal> Do not compare the Nakamura and Leko v. Carlsen games. Those games reached the end game phase (with equality of materials or close). There was a real battle on both games I suppose.|
|Aug-12-12|| ||perfidious: Yawn-another conspiracy theory.|
|Aug-16-12|| ||QueentakesKing: <APOLOGY©> In the spirit of OLYMPUS, I apologize to the persons affected or annoyed by my comments on LM v. MC game. I rest my case.|
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