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Aug-10-12
 | | talisman: ball game.....thank you chessgames! |
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Aug-10-12
 | | Pedro Fernandez: <Premium Chessgames Member thethingplays: mate in 18>
Before I got mate in 22 playing white and in 27 otherwise. |
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| Aug-10-12 | | bubuli55: GM Alekseev might want to complicate the position :) |
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Aug-10-12
 | | thethingplays: i posted at move 66. my analysis was from that position |
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Aug-10-12
| | talisman: wait....did white actually play  e4??? |
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Aug-10-12
| | talisman: if he did black has  xh5!! |
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Aug-10-12
 | | Kinghunt: I think this has to be a relay error. Black probably resigned after playing Rg5+ and then the arbiter moved the white king to e4 to signify 1-0. I can't think of any other reason for Ke4 to be played or for Alekseev to resign immediately afterwards. |
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Aug-10-12
 | | Eyal: suppose it's this thing with the arbiter putting the king in the middle of the board again... 72.Ke4?? Rxh5 is actually a draw; 72.Ke6! is the move that should be winning (72...Rxh5 73.Kf6 with a decisive mating threat). |
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Aug-10-12
 | | HAPERSAUD: Somebody needs to slap the arbiter in the face for ruining the digital score sheet. |
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Aug-10-12
 | | Ulhumbrus: After 64...Kg7 with White's rook on the fourth rank Black can't win a pawn on g4 because with Black's lone king on g4, h5-h6 wins. This suggests that with White's rook on the fourth rank White's king is free to go for walks. Karjakin finds however another way to cover his pawns, with his rook on g6 |
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Aug-10-12
| | talisman: thanks <Eyal> and <Kinghunt>... |
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Aug-10-12
| | Pedro Fernandez: Still I'm wondering why after of 47.Re4+, GM Alekseev didn't play ...47.Kh3? I don't see the refutation. Anyone see that one? If so, thanks a lot! |
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Aug-10-12
| | Eyal: <Pedro Fernandez: Still I'm wondering why after of 47.Re4+, GM Alekseev didn't play ...47.Kh3? I don't see the refutation.> After 47...Kh3:
click for larger view48.Rh4+ Kg2 49.g4 is winning for White. |
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Aug-10-12
| | Pedro Fernandez: < Eyal: <Pedro Fernandez: Still I'm wondering why after of 47.Re4+, GM Alekseev didn't play ...47.Kh3? I don't see the refutation.> After 47...Kh3:
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48.Rh4+ Kg2 49.g4 is winning for White.>
You're right my friend! But after ...49.Rf4 50.Kxb3 is mate in 51!!! So?
FEN: 
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| Aug-10-12 | | BUNA: Karjakins awkward looking maneuver 41.Rc2 42.Rb2 43.Kb1 44.Re2 45.Kb2 46.Ka3! is really nice. It certainly wouldn't have occured to me. :) |
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| Aug-10-12 | | master of defence: How white wins after 72...Rxh5? |
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Aug-10-12
 | | kellmano: <MOD> Following you round. Pretty sure he doesn't. If the offensive king is cut off it's a draw. See above for a suggested relay error |
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Aug-10-12
 | | notyetagm: http://whychess.org/en/node/2665
Karjakin vs E Alekseev, 2012
<Victory for Karjakin over Alekseev turned out to be much harder work; for a long time it seemed far from a foregone conclusion. Sergey had an extra pawn, but his pieces were uncoordinated and his king was open. However, with a few accurate moves he managed to stabilise the position and transpose play into an endgame a pawn up. <<<From around the 36th move to the end of the game Sergey’s play was practically flawless.>>>> |
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| Aug-10-12 | | master of defence: Maybe 72.Ke6 actually was played, not Ke4. |
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| Aug-10-12 | | dumbgai: <You're right my friend! But after ...49.Rf4 50.Kxb3 is mate in 51!!! So?> What is your point? Winning is winning for white, thus black chose a different pat (which also lost). |
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Aug-11-12
| | Eyal: <dumbgai: <You're right my friend! But after ...49.Rf4 50.Kxb3 is mate in 51!!! So?> What is your point?>
Yes, I was wondering about that myself... <Pedro Fernandez> asks about the refutation of 47...Kh3, I explain it to him (i.e., how White is winning), and in response he says "<But> after ...49.Rf4 50.Kxb3 is mate in 51!!! [i.e., White is winning] <So?>" as if it's some sort of counter-argument to what I said. Funny. |
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| Aug-11-12 | | karik: Why doesn't the digital board recognize the position where the kings are in e4-d5. In normal play it seldom takes place... |
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| Aug-13-12 | | Bdellovibrio: Could someone please explain the principle behind 39. b1 ? Specifically, how does black counter more 'intuitive' moves such as 39. b7? |
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| Aug-15-12 | | BUNA: <Bdellovibrio>
I'll give it a try.
After 39.Rb7 Rf3 40.Rxb4 Rf2+ and 41... Rxh2 would draw.
So white has to win black's b-pawn without losing one of it's own pawns.
Maybe there were multiple ways to achieve this, but Karjakins method still seems convincing. I'm not sure about 39.Kb1 and 40.Kc1, but both players were in time trouble. Probably Karjakin just left the rook on c7 to have Rc2 and to stop black's king from advancing. And made two waiting moves. |
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| Aug-19-12 | | Bdellovibrio: A very belated thanks to <BUNA>... yes, it seems white needs a defense against the fork on the second rank, and he need not hurry in capturing the b-pawn, since there's no way black's king can make it over to defend it. |
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