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Magnus Carlsen vs The World
"Rey Mundo" (game of the day Nov-25-2012)
UNAM Carlsen-Mundo (2012), Mexico City MEX, rd 1, Nov-24
Sicilian Defense: Najdorf Variation. Adams Attack (B90)  ·  1-0


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Nov-25-12  SimonWebbsTiger: @<Absentee>

Carlsen is mediocre, he took on the world. So would have taken on the Solar System, blindfold, and still had time to finish his juice.

Nov-25-12  Slick Mongoose: The world couldn't see Carlsen's moves for the first 9 moves. Which was interesting.

Can someone explain 14....Na4 to a patzer? Is it mainline in this position? The computers liked it but it just looks like it doubles black's a pawns.

Nov-25-12  shakman: Game was following Kupreichik vs Dvoirys, 1993
Nov-25-12  stunningmove: Absolutely <ajile>, "we are the world"

(or was that a Michael Jackson song?)

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  cro777: " The first shaky move by The World came at <20...h6>, but Carlsen immediately returned the favor opting for <21. Be3>.

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20...h6 21.Be3

It was at move 30 when the World was failed by something unexpected, they were given three choices to vote from and none of them were the best possible move."

Position after 30.Rc5.

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These three choices were given to vote from: 30...Ne2, 30...Rf8 and 30...Re8.

"Surprised by the possibilities ahead, the World chose the worst of all suggested moves <30. Re8>, stirring the game into pleasant territory for Magus Carlsen. After a few more imprecisions, Magnus concluded the game."

It seems that three choices given to vote from were computer selected. (R=K, D=Q, T=R, A=B, C=N)

Nov-25-12  Slick Mongoose: I thought the three choices were from three GM's?
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  cro777: We all thought so, but it seems that we were wrong.
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  Castleinthesky: There is the world and then there is the best in the world.
Nov-25-12  sushijunkie: On, we were getting so pissed at the choices given and the choices made, that we tried to hijack the game and make even worse moves in protest. This game was a joke and isn't deserving of being on CG.
Nov-25-12  TheTamale: <Abdel Irada>: The Oort Cloud is hardly a "neutral site." They've been pelting us with debris for millions of years!
Nov-25-12  Slick Mongoose: <cro777>: That explains a lot.

I recall the final choice was resign, resign or -.

- won the vote.

Nov-25-12  waustad: Is there another one today?
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  OhioChessFan: This is a pretty low quality game. I have to agree with <Slick> that Na4 looks just pointless. If the idea was to open the c file, it was a wasted idea since a few moves later Black had 2 more pieces in front of the Rook anyway.

I agree with <ajile> and <CIO> that is the gold standard of World teams. Teams having GM's offer a choice of moves, or a Team of only 20 players doesn't qualify as a real World Team in my book.

Nov-25-12  BlackSheep: These versus the world games are a weird concoction its not as if chess is a democracy .
Nov-25-12  Slick Mongoose: Yes, without a unified way of communicating you can't really call it a "team".
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  eternaloptimist: <Slick> u made a good point. Lack of communication is what led to the world team losing this game. I was kind of frustrated when I was voting for moves in this game b/c we couldn't follow 1 cohesive plan. 3 GMs each suggested 1 move that we could vote for but the GMs all had different plans so that made it difficult to get something going for the world team.
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  juan31: the game was in real time, no chance to see computers, the public in the auditorium have a divaice to vote, 90% of the public was students fans of chess, is different when a team like Chessgames that have a coordination and experts in chess.
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  OhioChessFan: I assume that 30...Ra8 was best. I don't see a World Team surviving that in real time though.
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  OhioChessFan: 30...Ra8 31...Kh8 to get out of the diagonal check....Qa1+.......can Black survive this?
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  SteinitzLives: Hey, did Carlsen take a drug test before this game? Did the world?
Nov-26-12  pmukerji: Rookie question that's probably obvious to most...why didn't magnus play Rxd3 on move #28 or #29?
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  kevin86: The rook does double duty:stop black's pawn and sherherd his own!
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  cro777: In the Najdorf Sicilian, Carlsen opted for 6.h3. He used to play this move mainly in blitz and blind games.

The move 6.h3 (Adams attack) "remains fairly trendy. It's long lost much of its surprise value, but still appeals to players who like an uncompromising Sicilian battle." (Richard Palliser)

The critical position arose after 20.g6.

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Regrettably, the World chose 20...h6, the worst of the suggested moves:

20...h6 (42.6%)
20...hxg6 (32.6%)
20...Nc5 (24.8%)

With 20...hxg6 Black could maintain a dynamic equilibrium. A possible continuation:

20...hxg6 21. fxg6 Rfd8 22. h4 Nf8 23. h5 Qa7

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Nov-28-13  kia0708: :-)))))))))))))))))

<<scormus: Check It Out: Yes. Magnus would have quite a different experience if he were to challenge The World here on> Good grief, I sure hope so!>

Sep-24-15  kamagong24: the true identity of the world is meta world peace
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