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Viswanathan Anand vs Vladimir Kramnik
London Chess Classic (2012), Olympia, London, rd 4, Dec-04
Spanish Game: Berlin Defense (C65)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Dec-04-12  TechnoGuyRob: Beautiful draw! May I suggest the pun "Anand by Kramning"
Dec-04-12
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  beenthere240: I completely fell for a bogus post about this being a wild and wooly game. It should be said that Anand has the better bishop!
Dec-05-12  Snehalshekatkar: The great wall of chess!!
Dec-05-12
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  HeMateMe: "Fastest Draw in the West".
Jan-17-13  KKsystem: GM Kramnik playing the Berlin Defense Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

And the final position He! He! He! He! He!

Jan-24-13  iamsheaf: Not a single pawn exchanged... you can't get a more closed position than this...either side can sacrifice pieces and still get a draw because there is no obvious to break through

In the final position white has a better pawn structure and a bishop which isn't aiming it's own pawns ;-)....white can take comfort from that.

Dec-22-14  TheBish: Game ID 1700000!
Dec-15-18
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  Domdaniel: <KK-- at al ...> Just stop with the LOLs and the lolz and the (Ha! Ha!) or <He! He!) routines. Please. Just take my word for it. It is imbecilic to the max.
Dec-16-18
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  moronovich: Seems we need a Lol a bye :)
Dec-16-18
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  ChessHigherCat: <moronivich: Seems we need a Lol a bye :)

Great pun! LOL (I wrote LOL backwards to avoid offending the hypersensitive)

Dec-16-18
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  moronovich: Lol! <CHC>
First I thought you wrote it forwards,but on closer inspection I get it.

It reminds me about the partisan who was working in a house,building a new staircase for the family. When he had finished the job,the family was shocked when they saw he charged the double amount of what they had agreed to and asked him: why ? "Well that is because I built it in a way so it both could go upstairs and downstairs".

Dec-16-18
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  ChessHigherCat: <Moronovich:
It reminds me about the partisan who was working in a house,building a new staircase for the family. When he had finished the job,the family was shocked when they saw he charged the double amount of what they had agreed to and asked him: why ? "Well that is because I built it in a way so it both could go upstairs and downstairs".>

That's funny (but "partisan" is a typo for "artisan", right?). That's a joke, but isn't it bizarre how both the French and Germans call the front door of the house "porte d'entrée" and "Eingangstür"? What the hell is the difference between a porte d'entrée and a porte de sortie (or "Eingangstür"/Ausgangstür)? There might be a difference in a big theater but not in a normal house.

Dec-17-18
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  moronovich: <What the hell is the difference between a porte d'entrée and a porte de sortie (or "Eingangstür"/Ausgangstür)? There might be a difference in a big theater but not in a normal house.>

Hmm,good question.

In private houses it could be a practical matter to differentiate between porte déntree and the kitchen(back)door. But still a kind of bizarre as you put it.Perhaps it is mainly because "comming home" signals some of the most important and warming condition in life,hence we emphazise this direction,instead of "going out" which can mean:Burned out,fired,broken relationship and so forth !? And yes, partisan should be artisan ;)

Dec-17-18
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  ChessHigherCat: <moronovich: In private houses it could be a practical matter to differentiate between porte déntree and the kitchen(back)door.>

Unless there's only one way out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPg...

Did the stairs look this: https://queenmobs.com/2017/03/advic...

<Mr. Serious: Come now, children, back to the topic! Let's see now, what was the topic?

Dec-18-18
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  Domdaniel: <moronovich> - <partisan should be artisan>. I like that distinction. In Leonard Cohen's song, 'The Partisan', he sang "An old woman gave us shelter/ kept us hidden in the attic ..." Which is, I suppose, yet another way of experiencing a building.

Incidentally, I've seen 'Sortie Ports' or 'portes de sortie' in old castles and fortifications. They could be opened suddenly so that those inside could charge out en masse and attack those who were surrounding and/or besieging them. There's a fine example of a sortie port in St James' Fort, Kinsale, Ireland.

Dec-18-18
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  moronovich: Good points <Dom> !

I makes me wonder about castling in chess,sometimes also means a kind of "get the hell out of here"..:)

Cohen is a phenomen with words IMHO.
Perhaps the best,if I hard pressed should pick a #1. And to you dear <Dom> : As far as I recall you like good old Bob Dylan. On you tube there is a guy "Elston Gun(n).(Not Elton john;) who has put up parts of the best concert (or perhaps more than one)I have ever came across with his Bobness.So hereby highly recommended.

Dec-18-18
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  ChessHigherCat: <moronovich> - <partisan should be artisan> At first I imagined you were talking about Danish partisans in Schleswig-Holstein in the territory occupied by Prussia in the 19th Century, then it occurred to me you probably meant artisan.

Somebody complained the other day about putting Bob Dylan together with Paul McCartney, who is generally a much better singer, but I can't imagine Paul singing a convincing version of "Subterranean Homesick Blues"!

Dec-18-18
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  moronovich: <but I can't imagine Paul singing a convincing version of "Subterranean Homesick Blues"!>

No,me neither,nor Dylan performing "Yesterday" :)

Dec-19-18
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  Domdaniel: Dylan seems willing to have a go at anything -- old standards, Sinatra classics, Christmas songs, etc.

I still think his best stuff is magnificent, but I have more respect for Cohen's purity.

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