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|Jan-21-13|| ||Jim Bartle: I do wish we could be informed as to which user names are repeats of the same person, without identifying the person's real name. But this is apparently impossible without possibly involving innocent parties using the same Internet services.|
|Jan-21-13|| ||OneArmedScissor: It's telling that a person doesn't possess the will power to avoid responding to obvious trolls and that the only thing preventing them from doing as such is adding people to their ignore list.|
|Jan-21-13|| ||kingscrusher: My video annotation of this game :
|Jan-21-13|| ||fgh: <OneArmedScissor: It's telling that a person doesn't possess the will power to avoid responding to obvious trolls and that the only thing preventing them from doing as such is adding people to their ignore list.>|
"Telling" what, Mr "I patronise everyone"?
|Jan-21-13|| ||Ulhumbrus: Carlsen has done it again, squeezing an endgame win out of a slightly advantageous position.|
|Jan-21-13|| ||Everett: Jan-20-13
member < Shams: <mightor><He is the best among 14 handpicked participants. Don't get too excited.>
The only excitement lies in putting you on ignore, goldfish.>
|Jan-21-13|| ||Ulhumbrus: If Carlsen can win from a slightly advantageous position this suggests that others can also win from a slightly advantageous position by employing his methods.|
One method suggested by what has happened here is to give the opponent two chances to make a mistake as follows:
1. If the opponent gives the opportunity ( by 42...Kf8) start a tactical battle ( moves 43-52) so as to gain a considerable advantage ( after move 52) as <Eyal> has indicated.
2. If the opponent finds a miracle ( 68...gxh5!! as <Eyal> has indicated) he will draw but if he misses the miracle he will lose.
|Jan-21-13|| ||maxi: For many years now GM's changed the nature of chess and turned it into an examination on knowledge on the latest lines, declaring so many games drawn if the position was more or less equal coming out of the opening. Magnus will to play out in full the endgame is a refreshing breeze of change.|
|Jan-21-13|| ||pawn to QB4: Agree. I remember somebody summing up Tal in 1959/60 as having shown that the general level of defensive technique was inadequate. Here is somebody doing much the same for the late middle and endgame.|
|Jan-21-13|| ||maxi: The good news is that with computers it is much easier to learn and understand endings (I am an old fellow, that learned chess before the computer era.)|
|Jan-21-13|| ||achieve: <maxi> Your comment in and of itself is like a breath of fresh air! Many a time I expressed similar thoughts, but never seen it condensed yet very transparant within the two sentences that you have used. Remarkable.|
First candidate for me for post of the year.
Here it is again:
maxi: For many years now GM's changed the nature of chess and turned it into an examination on knowledge on the latest lines, declaring so many games drawn if the position was more or less equal coming out of the opening. Magnus will to play out in full the endgame is a refreshing breeze of change.
|Jan-21-13|| ||Tiggler: <polarmis> and <eyal> Thank you for you helpful and on-point replies (interspersed regrettably with dicussion about trolls that is more intrusive than the trolls themselves)|
Bing on my browser translates as follows from the ChessPro site:
<It is obvious that after the forced 68 ... gxh5 69.f5 h4 70.f6 rivals only the most natural answer was considered King of the g8, and in fact loses, past the same ètûdnoe have passed 70 ... Kg6!!70 ... Kg8? 71. e6 fxe6 Bxe6 Kh7 73.72. Rxf8 is really simple.71. Rxf8 Kf5! another precise passage, followed by a draw. However, the tie must already do white!72. Rh8!To trouble leads a naive 72. Rxf7? g3 73. Kf3 Rb2!72 ... 73. Ke1 Rb1 Rb2 and white must not accept perpetual check, since games of winning 74. Kd2? 75. Rxh4 Kxe5 76. Rg4 g2 g3 turns bitter loss>
A bit garbled, but illuminating none the less. If black finds 68 ... gxh5 69.f5 h4 70. f6 Kg6!! , then it is white who has to find some good moves to save the draw! Had these best moves been played out to a draw, then the game would truly have been worthy of a brilliancy prize for both players. I agree it is tough to describe Karjakin's 68th move as a blunder, but it is an error that in fact mars a wonderful game.
I notice the russian commentary also gives a question mark to 72 ... Rh2+? <Perhaps the crucial error. You had to give the first Rook> but lists no alternative move. Was there a draw to be had even then? Else the <?> is superfluous. I could not understand this bit.
Some have also criticized 77... Rc3. This commentary states:
<77 ... Rc3 simplifies the tasks of white. Persistent 77 ... Re1.>
No question mark here, presumably because the more "persistent" move still loses.
|Jan-21-13|| ||Eyal: <I notice the russian commentary also gives a question mark to 72 ... Rh2+? <Perhaps the crucial error. You had to give the first Rook> but lists no alternative move. Was there a draw to be had even then? Else the <?> is superfluous. I could not understand this bit.>|
The google translation (http://www.google.com/translate?u=h...) says <Perhaps the decisive mistake. It was necessary to take a boat [i.e., rook] to the first> which is more comprehensible - apparently he's talking about keeping the rook on the first rank, i.e. 71...Ra1 or b1.
That's also Houdini's top recommendation, which initially gets a good evaluation for Black but gradually turns out to be losing as well, e.g. 71...Rb1 72.Be4 Kh5 73.Re8! (not to let Black activate the king via h4) 73...Bh6 (73...Bg7 74.Rg8 Bh6 75.e6) 74.Rh8 Rb6 75.Bd5 Rb2+ (with 71...Ra1 there’s not even this resource, since the bishop covers a2) 76.Ke1 (76.Kg3? Re2 77.e6 c4! 78.Bxc4 g5! 79.f5 Re3+ 80.Kf2 Rf3+ [that's why it's necessary to remove the bishop from d5 first] 81.Ke2 Rxf5 82.e7 Re5+) 76...Rb1+ 77.Kd2 Rb2+ 78.Kd1 Rb1+ 79.Kc2 Re1 80.e6 Re3 81.Rh7.
|Jan-21-13|| ||Tiggler: <kingcrusher> I have been hoping you would give us a video of this game. 24 hours was not a long time to wait, especially considering the length of the game, and your video is 48 minutes!|
Your analysis covered everything I wanted, with one exception: what about 72... Rh2+? Did black have any saving move here?
Great work, though, thanks!
|Jan-21-13|| ||Tiggler: <eyal>
OK, just saw your last post, so everything is revealed. Great work, and thanks!
|Jan-21-13|| ||fcsca: Carlsen... al estilo de Fischer!!! Muy parecido al de Capablanca en la resistencia y tenacidad en los finales...|
|Jan-22-13|| ||mightor: <Carlsen... al estilo de Fischer!!! Muy parecido al de Capablanca en la resistencia y tenacidad en los finales...>
Carlsen ... Fischer style! Very similar to Capablanca in the strength and toughness in the end ..
No estoy de acuerdo
Magnus moves are far from perfect. Most are red and purple- these are horrible moves according to Houdini. A far cry from Capablanca and Fischer unblemished and flawless ways.
|Jan-22-13|| ||mightor: Twas not skill that carried Magnus to the top. Let's face it. Magnus is a lucky guy: |
1. In terms of sponsorships- that explains his elo.
2. In terms of his opponents performing below par- that explains his wins.
He still has to create his perfect game which would reflect his alleged genius than his propensity to be a beneficiary of wins gifted him due to ill moves and blunders committed by his opponents.
|Jan-22-13|| ||maxi: Thank you, <achieve>. It is likely that we are going to see an overall improvement in the quality of play in the late middle-game and endgame.|
|Jan-28-13|| ||Robyn Hode: Is this a KID Attack or a Reti? Looks like a Reti to me.|
|Jan-28-13|| ||parisattack: Reti Batcza-style, withholding c4 a few moves.|
|Jan-28-13|| ||MountainMatt: <Robyn Hode: Is this a KID Attack or a Reti? Looks like a Reti to me.>|
White's first 4 moves are textbook KIA; he does give it a Reti-esque look with 5. c4, but by then the queen check/pawn fork isn't available, which from what I understand is the main point of the Reti. I'd concur with CG and call it KIA.
|Jan-28-13|| ||Eyal: Analysis of the critical stage of this endgame, starting from <67.g4>, by Karsten Muller: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... (most of the variations are actually scattered throughout the previous pages of kibitzing here): <Opposite colored bishops favor the attacker, when more material is still on the board>.|
There's also quite a good review of the endgame in a video by Danny King, starting from the position after 52...Ra7: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgT6... (not many variations, but very clear explanations of the positional aspects).
|Feb-21-13|| ||crazyim5: Capablanca upgraded into God Mode! This is an unbelievably deep ending!|
|Mar-09-13|| ||Conrad93: Carlsen simplified the game too early.|
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