|May-23-13|| ||whiteshark: Desperate sacs in the final stages...|
|May-23-13|| ||luzhin: Morozevich's genius is to find entirely original strategies in standard positions. Here, for example, the plan of b4-b5-Nb4 to roll up Black's Q-side seems a totally new idea in an ancient opening. It certainly confused Svidler!|
|May-23-13|| ||dumbgai: Moro the magician strikes again.|
|May-23-13|| ||Eyal: To paraphrase something Mig Greengard once wrote about another Moro game, "Svidler was lured into the swampy terrain of Morozania and sank into the marsh". |
The e4 idea by Black would have been quite good in case of 16.bxc6 bxc6 17.Ng4, but after the tricky 16.Nb4! it doesn't work – the problem with 17...bxc6 (similarly on the next move) is 18.Bxc6! Rxc6 19.Nbxd5 Qf7 20.Nxf5 and Black can't recapture with either piece on f5 because of a knight fork on e7. One computer suggestion for Black instead of 16...e4? is 16...a5 17.bxa6 e4 (now it's ok again) 18.Nbxd5 cxd5 19.Bxe8 (19.Nxd5? Qxh2+!! 20.Kxh2 Rh6+ 21.Kg1 Ng3 and mate) 19...Be6 with good compensation for the pawn.
|May-23-13|| ||Beholder: <luzhin: Morozevich's genius is to find entirely original strategies in standard positions. Here, for example, the plan of b4-b5-Nb4 to roll up Black's Q-side seems a totally new idea in an ancient opening.>|
Absolutely! It may sound a bit overdramatic but this is the kind of game that make the History of Chess. Also the kind of game that even a chess titan of Svidler's calibre can be proud to be on the <losing> side of.
To think, not just a new move, but a whole new plan in a position that was known for <centuries>. Simply boggles the mind.
|May-23-13|| ||Eyal: Moro's plan starting with 13.b4 is indeed very creative and original (previously Bc2 or Bb3 were played), but calling that position "known for centuries" is a rather wild exaggeration... Svidler was actually the first who took the game out of very well-known territory with 9...c6 and then 10...d5 (in both cases instead of the more conventional d6) - that's relatively recent stuff|
|May-23-13|| ||Beholder: <Eyal: Svidler was actually the first who took the game out of very well-known territory with 9...c6 and then 10...d5>|
You've been reading the chesspro commentary I take it. Just switch the word 'position' for 'opening' and my point still stands.
|May-23-13|| ||Eyal: <Just switch the word 'position' for 'opening' and my point still stands.>|
The opening as a whole doesn't constantly create positions where this plan by White is relevant, though; its whole point depends on the specific setup created by the moves c6-d5.
|May-23-13|| ||haydn20: I don't know that Black should wait until move 16 to get out of this mess. 15...Nxe3 16. dxe3 [16. fxe3 Rxf1+ 17. Qxf1 Nf6 18. bxc6 bxc6 and Black is fine] ...Rf7! 17. bxc6 bxc6 =.|
|May-23-13|| ||haydn20: And after 16...a5 17. bxa6 maybe Black should go in for Nxe3 instead of a5 (not sure about this).|
|May-23-13|| ||Eyal: I haven't watched the press conference after the game, but according to the round report Svidler at first calculated 17...bxc6 18.Bxc6 Rxc6 19.Nxf5, when after 19...Bxf5 20.Nxd5 Qd7 Black is ok, missing that the immediate 19.Nbxd5 is crushing before Nxf5.|
Also from the round report: <Morozevich said in the press conference that his computer broke down last night and he couldn't access his database. The only files that were available were on the Four Knights Game, so he was forced to go with this opening.> (http://thessaloniki2013.fide.com/en...)
|May-23-13|| ||ketchuplover: 22...Rxh3|
|May-23-13|| ||ketchuplover: or Bxh3|
|May-24-13|| ||Check It Out: Svidler's second miniature of this tournament; unfortunately he's on the wrong side of this one.|
|May-24-13|| ||Eyal: <haydn20: I don't know that Black should wait until move 16 to get out of this mess. 15...Nxe3 16. dxe3 [16. fxe3 Rxf1+ 17. Qxf1 Nf6 18. bxc6 bxc6 and Black is fine] ...Rf7! 17. bxc6 bxc6 =>|
Yes, it looks equal - but at this stage in the game Svidler probably didn't yet see himself as being in a mess; 15...Rf6 might be a "principled" way of playing for a win, to punish White for his neglect to develop in a normal way by attacking on the K-side.
Btw, 20...Bxb7 loses to 21.Ng4! and if Black tries 21...Qg3 (threatening Nf3+) then 22.Nxh6+ gxh6 23.Qg4+! Qxg4 24.Ne7+! Kf7 25.hxg4 and White remains an exchange + couple of pawns up; or 22...Kh8 23.Nf7+ Kg8 24.Ne7+! (again) Kxf7 25.Qb3+ Kf6 26.Qxb6+! axb6 27.fxg3+ again remaining with a huge material advantage.
|May-24-13|| ||Eyal: <Btw, 20...Bxb7 loses to 21.Ng4! and if Black tries 21...Qg3 [...]> 21...Qxd5 loses to 22.Bb3, of course.|
|May-25-13|| ||Whitehat1963: What's best play if 22...Bxh3?|
|May-25-13|| ||Phony Benoni: <Whitehat1963> After <22...Bxh3>|
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My first thought was simply 23.Qxe8+ winning a piece and trading queens; once they go, Black's threats on the kingside mean little.
That seemed so easy that I figured I was missing something. So I fed the position to my Bozo 0.5 engine, and it started awarding +30s to 23.Ne7+, which forces Black to give up the queen as 23...Kf7 24.Qxe8+ Kf6 25.Ng8+ leads to quick mate.
22...Rxh3 is no good either. White can simply take the rook, as there is no mate as long as g2 is covered.
|May-25-13|| ||Just Another Master: good game|
|May-25-13|| ||Ulhumbrus: As White does not respond to 10...d5 with 11 exd6 or to 11...f6 with 12 exf6, this suggests 10...d6 11 0-0 f6|
|Jun-04-13|| ||Whitehat1963: <<Phony Benoni>, isn't your line:
So I fed the position to my Bozo 0.5 engine, and it started awarding +30s to 23.Ne7+, which forces Black to give up the queen as 23...Kf7 24.Qxe8+>> mate then and there?|