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|Jul-06-13|| ||wordfunph: "That was one of the worst. Not only did I lose, I lost embarrassingly. The game was over in just a couple of hours. It was a really, really off day. It's a pity. Something clearly just went wrong and I have some idea what it is. I will work at fixing that problem, but it is one among many problems that have cropped up."|
- Vishy Anand
|Oct-21-13|| ||Kinghunt: This game is the last one played by Anand and Carlsen before their upcoming match. It's sure to have some kind of psychological impact on both of them as they train and mentally prepare.|
|Oct-22-13|| ||siamesedream: Game with post mortem to repeat here:
|Nov-04-13|| ||Mr. President: http://memegenerator.net/instance/4...|
|Nov-07-13|| ||Talismun: 26.... Ng8? .. Seems quite on the Blackfoot. Anand could have still had a better end game with the Knight in play instead of tucking it by the King, like say a Ne4 instead. I am not so sure Carlson was brilliant in this game, seemed more like Anand checked out. It was not like materially or positionally black was at a terrible disadvantage.|
|Nov-07-13|| ||Talismun: Actually looks like 26 ... Ng8 is good and it was the next move 27...Rdd8 that did him in..|
|Nov-12-13|| ||WoodPushkin: Just studied this game...
27...Rdd8? is just chess blindness. As I played through the game in NIC magazine I couldn't figure out why text and not 27...Re7. Checked on Stockfish/Critter and they said the same.
If class C player can see this immediately than obviously Vishy's mind was elsewhere.
|Nov-12-13|| ||Kinghunt: <WoodPushkin> To be fair, black is in for an incredibly tough time and is probably ultimately lost after 27...Re7 too.|
|Mar-01-14|| ||devere: 25.Bh3! is amazingly strong.
Carlsen played the game beautifully. Anand played poorly for a World Champion.
|Jun-22-14|| ||hoodrobin: So it's Sunday at last!|
|Jun-22-14|| ||al wazir: As white I was with Carlsen for the first couple of moves. But I thought black would play 23...Rxc1.|
In the game line s black I too would have played 25...Re7.
|Jun-22-14|| ||gofer: Out of d5, e5 and Nxe6, my choice would be Nxe6. This seems
most forcing and allows white to dominate the light squared
diagonals on which both the king and queen are currently on!|
<22 Nxe6 ...>
22 ... Qxe6?
23 d5 Qe7 (cxd5 Rxc7 )
White has an advanced passed pawn that can easily be supported,
and black's knight is in a pickle, with e8 its only safe square!!
Positionally white is a far better and a pawn up.
<22 ... fxe6>
<23 Bh3 ...>
Black has no need to advance Pd4 just yet. This can wait one move.
Black's pawn advances like 23 ... b5 24 Qb4 a5 25 Qc5 just strengthen
white's position when Pd4 does finally advance. So what can black do?
23 ... b5
24 Qb4 ?
23 ... Kf7?!
24 d5 cxd5?
25 Qxd7 Rxd7
All seems fine for white...
Hmmm, I got the move order completely wrong. I saw it "all", but
not in the move order. What do the silicon monsters say? Can Nxe6
and Bh3 be played before d5? It looks okay, but the game line looks
significantly more forcing!
|Jun-22-14|| ||Penguincw: I thought this game was referencing this one: Carlsen vs Anand, 2014 , but then I saw it was white to move.|
|Jun-22-14|| ||diagonalley: roll on monday|
|Jun-22-14|| ||Cheapo by the Dozen: Black's only evident weaknesses are on the light-squared long diagonal. It's hard to see a line in which White can bring his bishop more strongly to bear via e5, because of the response ... Nd5. So let's consider the d5 break. 25 d5 is a fork, so it forces the response 25 ... cd. White's queen then hangs, so 26 Qxd7 is the only good-looking move. Black's rook then hangs, so 26 ... Rxd7 and 26 ... Rxc1 are the only plausible responses.|
25 d5 cd
26 Qxd7 Rxc1
27 Qb7 Rxe1+
leaves Black with two pieces hanging and no way to get a saving tempo.
But the line:
25 d5 cd
26 Qxd7 Rxd7
27 ed Bxd5
28 Nxd5 Nxd5
29 R(e)d1 R(a)d8
30 Rxd5 Rxd5
31 Bxd5 Rxd5
allows an immediate back-rank mate, while
27 ... Nxd5
leaves Black's knight pinned against both rooks, and hence offers no good alternative to transposing into the main line.
|Jun-22-14|| ||Cheapo by the Dozen: My first try (not posted) was like <gofer>'s. My second try (posted right above) was closer to Carlsen's, but he eventually deviated from it. Hmmm ...|
|Jun-22-14|| ||morfishine: 22.d5 looks like the best move
|Jun-22-14|| ||agb2002: The material is identical.
The pawn on c6 is defenseless (it is attacked and defended the same number of times) and also the rook on a8.
The rook sacrifice 22.Rxc6 Rxc6 23.d5 (or 23.e5) seems to fail due to 23... Rc1, winning material.
Another idea is 22.d5 cxd5 (22... Bg4 23.dxc6 just loses a pawn) 23.Qxd7 Rxd7 (23... Rxc1 24.Qb7 Rxe1+ 25.Rf2 + -; 23... B(N)xd7 24.Rxc7 + -) 24.exd5:
A) 24... Bxd5 25.Nxd5 Nxd5 26.Rcd1 Rad8 (26... Nf6 27.Bxa8 + -) 27.Rxd5 Rxd5 28.Bxd5 wins a piece (28... Rxd5 29.Re8#).
B) 24... Nxd5 25.Nxd5 Bxd5 26.Rcd1 as in A.
C) 24... Bf5 25.Re5 g6 and Black seems to hold.
Another option is to create a weakness on e6 after 22.d5 cxd5 23.Qxd7 Rxd7 24.Nxe6 fxe6 25.Bh3 Re7 (25... Kf7 26.exd5 Re7 27.Bxe6+ wisn a pawn) 26.exd5 e5 27.Be6+ and 28.Rxe5 winning a pawn.
I think I'd try the latter option.
|Jun-22-14|| ||geeker: Too famous a game to use as a puzzle. I had seen analysis and knew the moves.|
|Oct-09-16|| ||Dave12: your position is falling apart. swallow your pride! play 18..Bb7 again and admit your concept went wrong (although it probably won't save you).
22. d5! with Qxc7 is cruel and beautiful.|
|Dec-31-18|| ||Dave12: Carlsen is compared a lot to Karpov, But I believe it's the eye for tactics and the tendency to find small combinations that makes Carlsen better than Karpov.
Although Karpov did have a deep and excellent ability to calculate long variations, it is easy to see him miss an idea like 22.d5. At his peak, Carlsen just sees almost everything.|
|Dec-31-18|| ||nok: Karpov is all small combinations. Actually 22.d5 is very karpovian.|
|Dec-31-18|| ||john barleycorn: < Although Karpov did have a deep and excellent ability to calculate long variations, it is easy to see him miss an idea like 22.d5.> |
Does the ability of calculating long lines impair the calculation of short lines?
|Jan-01-19|| ||Dave12: < john barleycorn: < Although Karpov did have a deep and excellent ability to calculate long variations, it is easy to see him miss an idea like 22.d5.>
Does the ability of calculating long lines impair the calculation of short lines?>
Calculating and seeing are two seperate things. They shouldn't impair each other and I never said that.|
|Jan-03-19|| ||john barleycorn: <Dave12> I asked a question "Does the ability of calculating long lines impair the calculation of short lines?" and your reply was "They shouldn't impair each other and I never said that." Nor did I, genius.|
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