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Magnus Carlsen vs Levon Aronian
Zurich Chess Challenge (2014), Zurich SUI, rd 2, Jan-31
English Opening: King's English. Four Knights Variation Fianchetto Lines (A29)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Jan-31-14  Marmot PFL: Carlsen- I managed to keep chances

Aronian - Bg4 was good move, I had to play Qd8

Carlsen - I was spending too much time

Jan-31-14  DcGentle: Well, Aronian played a very good game, and Carlsen had a hard time to find anything substantial. This can also happen with the positional style, because it's not as forcing... the opponent will get a chance.
Jan-31-14  DaringSpeculator: That's a major difference I see between the two contestents. Assume they switch sides at move 32.


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with Black to move. Would Carlsen (now black) choose the drawing line actually played by Aronian? I doubt it!

Jan-31-14  Pedro Fernandez: Obvious! Carlsen knew about ...Rxd3 and the perpetual check a posteriori.
Jan-31-14
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  keypusher: I first thought 35.Qxc7 was impossible because of ...Ne4, but figured Carlsen could just play 35.Qf5+. Then after he surprised me with 35.Qxc7, I figured 35....Ne4 36.Nd5 was coming. But Carlsen had a much simpler solution.

Excellent game.

Jan-31-14
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  iqbalianpawn: The post game conference was great.. In the end, Aronian refers to one tactic as Magnus cheapo, and demonstrates it.. Then they both laugh, and magnus replies: It was not cheapo, it was beautiful move
Jan-31-14  Cooleyhigh: Aronian remark about Magnus move being a cheapo is a cheap remark. In my opinion both had played well. I personally hope that Aronian never becomes World Champion with remarks like that.
Jan-31-14
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  keypusher: <Cooleyhigh: Aronian remark about Magnus move being a cheapo is a cheap remark. In my opinion both had played well. I personally hope that Aronian never becomes World Champion with remarks like that.>

Luckily Carlsen has a sense of humor and proportion.

Jan-31-14
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  iqbalianpawn: <Cooleyhigh> Well, I think he referred it in a humorous and respectable way.. Rather than saying it a cheapo in a cheap way.. I felt both were respectful of each other...
Jan-31-14
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  keypusher: Besides, it's a standing joke that Aronian is a coffeehouse player (though I don't see it at all myself) and Carlsen has kidded about that in the past.
Jan-31-14  KnightVBishop: does this game prove that aronian is stronger then carlsen...

wasnt levon winning the whole game

Jan-31-14  Monoceros: Remember, Aronian once described himself as a "cheap tactician". If he said that some move of Carlsen's was a "cheapo" that was likely a term of praise: "Hey, this guy played the sort of move that _I_ would make!"

In chess there's a subtle balance and ambiguity, I think, when it comes to the practice of tempting your opponent into playing bad moves. A "trap" is bad, but a "swindle" is good. What separates the two?

Jan-31-14
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  keypusher: <KnightVBishop: does this game prove that aronian is stronger then carlsen...

wasnt levon winning the whole game>

He's back for more logic and grammar-free inanity. I wonder if he's an alt.

Jan-31-14  Ed Frank: Carlsen, jokingly: "That's not a cheapo; that's a beautiful trick."
Jan-31-14  galdur: Cheapos, swindles etc. Part of the game. Black may have had some superficial advantage but chose the draw. Sensible I think against this opponent.
Jan-31-14  KnightVBishop: was carlsen winning anytime during this game
Jan-31-14  asiduodiego: As I predicted. After the forcing the trade sequence, Carlsen choose to force a draw rather than playing a pointless endgame.

I think this game shows both players are playing in a similar level. Of course, Carlsen is Carlsen, but Aronian has shown great improvement lately, and in this game, he faced the beast, tamed it, and escaped to tell the story.

Jan-31-14  Rolfo: Carlsen said on Norwegian TV that this game was more "subtil" than yesterday's game
Jan-31-14
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  diceman: <DaringSpeculator:
Assume they switch sides at move 32.

with Black to move. Would Carlsen (now black) choose the drawing line actually played by Aronian? I doubt it!>

Well Carlsen would be playing a mere mortal.
Aronian would still be playing Carlsen.

Jan-31-14  PinnedPiece: Doesn't 40-move draw qualify (by the Zurich) rules as requiring a rapid game follow-up?

.

Jan-31-14
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  diceman: <PinnedPiece: Doesn't 40-move draw qualify (by the Zurich) rules as requiring a rapid game follow-up? >

If its a draw, Carlsen wins on tie-breaks.

Jan-31-14  anandrulez: Hey Aronian Carlsen game , press conf remark where Levon said "did anyone comment about Magnus's cheapo Bf3 trying for f5 and nd6! ? Levon said if nd6 is not there it is just winning for black ... but engines don't think so even after Nd2 White is better . So isn't f5 worse even if there is no nd6 cheapo ? Can anyone clarify ? It was just for joke ... not mean to be taken seriously .
Jan-31-14  Kinghunt: Another classic Carlsen game. Carlsen gets a playable position, has an interesting idea (so far the same as yesterday), it doesn't work very well (unlike yesterday), Carlsen uses his defensive technique to stabilize the position, and the game ends in a draw.
Jan-31-14
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  diceman: <Kinghunt:

Carlsen gets a playable position>

Who knew 2870's were that good?

Feb-01-14  Minitray: <Cooleyhigh>

Carlsen has previously said, in what superficially may look as a derogatory manner, about Aronians play, that "he likes any position where he is material down". In reality though, this was Carlsens humorous way of praising Aronian, as a very capable and dangerous opponent.

Likewise with Aronian.

Carlsen immidiately picked up on the humor, and "defended" his play, saying it was no "cheapo" at all, but a "beautiful trick".

If looking for the opposite, the closest Aronian came to downplaying Carlsen, was when he said that Carlsen was "an interesting" player, in response to a question indicating a tournament featuring Carlsen might pose difficulties for him. No malice, disrespect or attempt at deception at all, just a very competitive guy implicitly indicating he wants to play.

Two high class players.

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