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Peter Svidler vs Dmitry Andreikin
"If You c1 You've Seen Them All" (game of the day Nov-23-2014)
World Chess Championship Candidates (2014), Khanty-Mansiysk RUS, rd 2, Mar-14
Sicilian Defense: Old Sicilian. Open (B32)  ·  1-0
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Mar-14-14  Nicocobas: <csmath> "31. Rd5! is simply leaving black with hopeless ending and g3 cannot be taken." What happens if g3 is taken?
Mar-14-14  LivBlockade: <What happens if g3 is taken?> It looks like after 31...Rxg3; 32. Rg5+ gives white a winning pawn ending.
Mar-15-14
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  patzer2: <<beenthere240: I loved 28. Rcc1. Great-looking position.> I was astonished at seeing the position after 28. Rcc1!!

Imagine seeing Batman playing Robin in this game. After 28. Rcc1!!, we'd almost certainly have heard "Holy Cow Batman!"

Mar-15-14  Ulhumbrus: <fgh: <Capablanca said that 90% of opening theory was based on wrong assumptions.> Welcome to the year 2014.> Some things change but some things remain the same
Mar-16-14  xanadu: <Perfidious>: You have openly insulted to another kibitzer, which is not only a serious lack of ethics and education, but also really very unpleasant because Ulhumbrus is always very respectful and was doing an analysis of the game. Your insult precludes any further analysis or discussion.
Mar-16-14
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  perfidious: <xanadu> Just calling a spade a spade--<u>'s remarks on the openings constantly display a lack of understanding and are potentially misleading to beginning players.
Mar-16-14  mistreaver: <perfidious>
I agree with <Ulhumbrus> on this one, because development with Nf6, 0-0 etc surely can't be that much worse then the "subtle" Bg5.
Mar-16-14  mistreaver: At least that's how Radjabov played, and made a couple of draws.
Mar-16-14
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  perfidious: <mistreaver> Fair enough--my point is simply that <u> spills out one platitude after another without making any effort to comprehend that concrete understanding counts for more in the long run than a nice, neat package of general principles. Far better-even if one is wrong-to use one's head than to hide behind a batch of Reinfeldian tenets while holding them up as the acme of wisdom.
Mar-16-14
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  AylerKupp: <<Nicocobas> What happens if g3 is taken?>

Black’s drawing chances are greatly improved if the rooks remain on the board since as Tarrasch said “all rook endings are drawn ...”. Or at least most of them are. If 31...Rxg3 then White can force the exchange of rooks with 32.Rg5+ Rxg5 (forced) 33.fxg5 arriving at the following position:


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White can now force a passed pawn on the q-side and Black must rush his king over there to prevent it from queening. In the meantime White’s king can pick up Black’s k-side pawns. Play could continue 33...Kf8 34.Kf2 Ke7 35.Ke3 Kd6 36.Ke4 Ke6 (if 36...Kc6 then 37.a4 and Black’s king can’t prevent White from getting his passed pawn with a future b4-b5) 37.Kd4 Kd6 38.a4 Kc6 39.Ke5 Kd7 40.Kf6 Kd6 (if 40...Ke8, 41.b5) 41.Kxf7 Ke5 42.Kg7 Kf5 43.Kxh7 Kxg5 44.b5 axb5 45.axb5 and Black’s king can’t prevent White’s b-pawn from winning.

Instead of immediately going over to the q-side Black could capture White’s Pg5 by 33...Kg7 34.Kf2 Kg6 35.Ke3 Kxg5 but after 36.a4 and 37.b5 it must hurry to the q-side to prevent White’s passed pawn from queening and White can once again capture both of Black’s k-side pawns and promote his g-pawn.

White has other possibilities to force a win by, say, going after Black’s q-side pawns but I think that after 31...Rxg3 this would be the most straightforward.

Mar-18-14  James Bowman: I'm impressed with Svidler's insightful and creative end game play in this tournament. It seems this year quality is very high.
Mar-18-14  Rama: He gives a seminar in advanced Rook-tactics round after round. Bravo!
Mar-18-14
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  WannaBe: Amazing exchanges.
Mar-18-14  rjr417: Why would Andreikin underpromote with 28...exd1R? I know it doesn't change anything in the game but I am just curious.
Mar-18-14  Oginschile: I saw a case where a very strong player (non-grandmaster) underpromoted to a rook simply to tempt his opponent (who unfortunately was myself) to not take it and find a better line. That doesn't seem to be the case here. I've also seen a crazy situation (though it may have been in a puzzle) where the pawn underpromoted to a rook to avoid a stalemate that arose with a queen, but the underpromoting to a rook lead instead to a victory. I don't see a specific purpose for it here.
Mar-20-14  Chris321: Svidler sometimes play very good games,ive seen a game where he outplayed Kasparov,drawing him in make Kasparov believe that he got the advantage and a Kingside attack,but with about 4 very skilfull and efective deep strategical kind of Petrosian like moves Kasparov had to resign,looking right down the barrel,there was nowhere to go,no retreat.caught like in a spiders web in the late middlegame,yea this is what this here wildcard can do!,its very interesting,was used much in the Hypermodern days the startoff of that etc!
Mar-28-14  Memethecat: <Fanques Fair: He could even play 28- Rcc1 !!! instead of 28- Ne7+ which saves the knight for free> At first glance I too thought the N could've been saved, but it gets pinned after 28.Ne7+ Kh8 (not ...Kg7 29.Nf5+) 29.Rcc1! exd1 30.Rxd1 Re8.

<rjr417> Chess humor! The piece is gonna get taken regardless, so as long as it checked the K it didn't matter, R or Q.

Nov-23-14
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  morfishine: <perfidious> This is classic: <...Fair enough--my point is simply that <<u>> spills out one platitude after another without making any effort to comprehend that concrete understanding counts for more in the long run than a nice, neat package of general principles. Far better-even if one is wrong-to use one's head than to hide behind a batch of Reinfeldian tenets while holding them up as the acme of wisdom> A real gem!

I give you the edge in the back and forth

Looking at the game, 28.Rcc1 is certainly shocking and results in a unique piece arrangement; But from a material perspective, isn't it better to hold onto the piece with 28.Ne7+ Kg7 29.Nf5+ Kg8 30.Rcc1


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White has <31.Kf2> leaving him a piece ahead and Black's pawns will be liquidated

or even better for White is: 28.Ne7+ <28...Kh8> 29.Rcc1 Re8 30.Rxd2 Rxe7 31.Re1


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and White is up a rook

*****

Nov-23-14  Moszkowski012273: 17...Nxe4 had to be played.
Nov-23-14  shivasuri4: <morfishine>, in your line, after Nf5+, Black would simply play Kf6. The position might still be winning for White, but it would become harder.
Nov-23-14
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  morfishine: <shivasuri4> 29...Kf6 is not possible: White's rook is still on <c6>
Nov-23-14  Zkid: <morfishine> I think 28. Ne7+ Kh8 29. Rcc1 dxc1=R 30. Rxc1 Re8 is the issue. Although 31. Kf2 still certainly achieves a similar endgame.
Nov-23-14
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  morfishine: <Zkid> Yes
Nov-24-14  shivasuri4: <morfishine>, oh yes, you are right.
Nov-24-14
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  kevin86: The two pawns and two rooks at move 28 is hilarious!
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