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Sergey Karjakin vs Magnus Carlsen
Gashimov Memorial (2014), Shamkir AZE, rd 3, Apr-22
Nimzo-Indian Defense: Kmoch Variation (E20)  ·  1/2-1/2


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Apr-22-14  LIFE Master AJ: Amazing game ... for a while there, both sides looked like they had winning chances.
Apr-22-14  ralph46: Carlsen threw away the win on move44..Kf7 while Kf7 is the right plan it was premature you had to have Nd7 inserted before Kf7 .With Nd7 inserted before Kf7 on kf7 white has to play Nf5 and it is a relatively easy win for black
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  cro777: Karjakin started to worry about his position very quickly, but Carlsen said that a draw vs Karjakin is a good result in itself, regardless of the tournament standings.
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  Sokrates: Very good game by both contestants. Karjakin showed that he can challenge the champ and I salute him for his bold play. Yes, there might be errors to find afterwards - these are human beings, not Houdinis - fortunately! It's the errors that make interesting games, not computer precision moves (as some people seem to think). I have seen computer vs. computer games. They should be interesting, but I care nothing about which computer wins. What computers accomplish in chess is as interesting as what a hydraulic crane may lift in comparison with a man.

An interesting example of this is the famous last game in the match between Lasker and Schlechter. The game is packed with errors and mistakes, wrong tactical judgements and strange expressions of gentlemanship from Schlechter. He could have won and drawn the game many times, but why did he continue? That is the human drama, that is the nerve and sparkling spirit in the game. Objectively, it's a mess, dramatically it's a diamond.

Apr-22-14  Everett: <HeMateMe: "he should have"...."I was winning"...."white was better"....never really work for me. Results are what counts.>

Sounds like an overstatement, since here you are before, during and after games talking about how the results happened, just like the rest of us.

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  HeMateMe: <Everett>

You are talking about hypotheticals, what might have happened. There is no value in that. What DID happen is what counts. As Bill Parcells, the football coach said, "You are what your record (won-loss) SAYS you are." Kjarkan was good enough to draw, today.

Apr-22-14  Everett: In closed-benoni structures like this, there is often room for the piece-for-two-pawns sac, which can come as an unpleasant shock to the receiver.

Here, in a similar opening, White mixes things up with a piece sac for only one pawn, which is enough to confuse his opponent, gain the initiative, and break the central pawn bind.

Bronstein vs Smyslov, 1950

I'm looking forward to seeing more Samisch Nimzo's. We should take a look at all the old Botvinnik, Bronstein and Spassky games in the variation. Lots of good stuff there.

Apr-22-14  PinnedPiece: <Sokrates>'s Lasker-Schlechter reference is to:

Lasker vs Schlechter, 1910


Apr-22-14  csmath: 6. ...Nh5
[Not very often move but the idea is to make room for f5 and thus to release central pawn pressure that the white is striving for. In few recent games Magnus has been attacked by a pawn rush and he is definitely studying various responses related to NID. Most notably against Anand in WC match and against Nakamura in Zurich.]

9. ...c5!
[This is Magnus' move, it is absolutely correct response and a sign that white has absolutely nothing in this opening.]

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10. 0-0
[10. dxc5 dxc5 11. Qxd8 Rxd8 12. e4 fxe4 13. Bg5 Rf8 looks completely harmless.]

11. g4?!
[Karjakin is still counting on his pawn center but this is not much of a threat at all.]

14. e4 e5!

[It has to be clear to white that he has nothing but pawn weaknesses after this move.]

22. ...Qh7

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[Here white is faced with dilemma whether to exchange queens or not. Giving away bishop pair is surely not appealing.]

23. Qxh7+

[Karjakin decided to play for a draw. 23. Rg1 Qxh4 24. Bxh4 Kh7 was perhaps better continuation for white.]

After 27 moves black has accomplished better ending with blocked center and better pawn structure. Karjakin is low on time but he plays rather well in a difficult ending.

29. h4
[Most natural move. 29. Bxf4 exf4 30. h4 g6 is not better.]

39. Bc7
[Extremely dangerous move trapping white bishop but 39. Bh3 Bg4 40. Bxg4 Nxg4+ 41. Ke2 Nf6 does not look attractive either.

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43. Kd2
[43. Kf2? Nf4! 44. Bc2 Ne2 and c-pawn is lost.]

43. ...Ke7

[Interesting 43. ... b5! 44. cxb5 axb5 45. Bc2 (45. Bxb5? Kc8 ) c4]

46. ...Nh4?

[Missing the next move of white and losing possibly winning advantage:

46. ...Bf3!
47. d6 Bg4
48. Bg3 Nh5
49. Bh2

(49. Bf2 Nhf4 50. Bxc5 Nxd3 51. Kxd3 Kf6 52. Bd4+ Ke6 53. c5 Kd7 54. a5 Nf4+ 55. Ke3 Ne6 56. Kf2 Bd1 57. Ke3 Bb3 possibly lost for white but not clear how.)

50. Bc2 Ne6
51. Ke3 Kf7
52. e5 a5
53. Bb1 Nhg7
54. Bc2 Nf5
55. Ke4 Bh5!

and white is lost as clearly knight cannot be taken.

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After Carlsen's error in 46th move the game could not be won any more.

Very interesting ending and obvious improvement in Magnus' opening preps are showing clearly that he is simply getting stronger.

Apr-22-14  csmath: It is truly amazing how little Carlsen needs to establish dominance in the game and in this case Karjakin was on the verge of defeat. Even though the ending was rather difficult to play for both one can say that both played it well with Carlsen missing quite possibly a winning continuation which is not clear at all.

Deep game with top level of play by both.

Apr-22-14  Everett: <HeMateMe> what DID happen is that you LOST the argument when you resorted to CAPS and Bill Parcells.

Everyone knows that analyzing alternate possibilities in finished games is one way to get better. Before results and actualities come process. There is great value in this. Sorry it does not "work" for you.

Why don't you just stop typing and say 1/2-1/2. <Hypothetically> your moaning about anything beyond the result, claiming that nothing is of value besides the result, is completely stupid at a site where every result is picked over and assessed from nigh-infinite angles in hopes of getting ever closer to some "truth."

Apr-22-14  Everett: <Apr-22-14
member HeMateMe: Lahno is playing a little below form. I wonder if the situation in Ukraine is a big distraction to her chess game? It has to be close to every Ukrainian's mind.>

C'mon, stop making hypothetical excuses for players. It's the result that counts, don't ya know.

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  cro777: Carlsen was a little disappointed with the draw. Accroding to him the endgame should have been won if playing accurately. Carlsen thought 44...Kf7 was a mistake.

"I probably went wrong with <44…Kf7>. <44…Nf4> first would have been a better try." (Carlsen)

Analyzing the position after 44.a4

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Carlsen was aiming for 44... Nf4 45. Bc2 (45.a5 Nd7 46.Bc7 Kf7 47.Nf5 Bxf5 48.exf5 Ke7) Nd7 46. Bc7 Kf7 47. Nf5 Bxf5 48. exf5 Ke7

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According to him White should be lost.

But, in the analysis after 44... Nf4 45. Bc2 Nd7 46. Bc7 Kf7

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he started to get unsure about 47. Bd1 Bxd1 48. Nf5 Bxa4 49. Nxd6+Kf6 50. Nxb7 Bb3? 51. Na5 Ba2

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Of course, after 50...Nh3 (instead of 50...Bb3) he should have found a way to make it working.

Apr-22-14  1971: This is truly an immense save from Karjakin he had about 2 min for 13 moves at one point, to hold this against Carlsen is extremely impressive. Bravo.
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  HeMateMe: Everett, you're stupid. If you live in the fantasy world of "Black missed a win!" White missed a win!" "Instead of 1.p-k4, white wins with...."

Just look at what happened on the board. A player's results are a function of his talent, motivation that day, health, and the health, skill and daily motivations of his opponents. That all adds up to one's overall chess record. Examining little fragments of this to alter someone's perceived chess record is just like a dog chasing his tail.

[what happened in the Ukraine is a rare, isolated incident in the life of a chess player (Lahn, Ivanchuk, is not something you factor in on a daily basis.]

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  diceman: <1971: This is truly an immense save from Karjakin he had about 2 min for 13 moves at one point, to hold this against Carlsen is extremely impressive. Bravo.>

With all the talk of how poorly, Aronian/Kramnik played. (and how well Anand did)

I think folks forget he was 2nd place in the Candidates.

Apr-22-14  bobthebob: "This is truly an immense save from Karjakin he had about 2 min for 13 moves at one point, to hold this against Carlsen is extremely impressive."

Or he just had a better understanding of the position than everyone else commenting with their engines.

I remember that Naka commenting on this game on ICC while it was in progress. He said something along the lines of "looks like a draw". People jumped on him...he tried again but then shortly left (shame - a lost opportunity for people to learn).

Apr-22-14  1971: <bobthebob> I don't watch with an engine I just know from experience that time pressure can be unbearable pressure, to find such high quality moves and set practical problems is amazing Chess, I mean he had less than a minute for about 4-5 moves. I have a newfound respect for Karjakin, only a real player could manage what he did today. Carlsen is known to make people look silly in these type of endgames.
Apr-23-14  LIFE Master AJ: A PCC student e-mailed me to ask how Black draws this. (He is basically - just learning the game and does not <yet> use engines.)

Very simple ... play the White King to e8 ... and NEVER MOVE IT! Then just play with you Bishop ... back and forth on the diagonal c6-to-h1 ... until White tires of such a mindless exercise.

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  Sokrates: <PinnedPiece: <Sokrates>'s Lasker-Schlechter reference is to: Lasker vs Schlechter, 1910> Many thanks for giving the reference. Kind of you.
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  diceman: <LIFE Master AJ:
Very simple ... play the White King to e8> mean black king.

Apr-23-14  john barleycorn: <diceman: mean black king.>

no details please!

Apr-25-14  1d410: Karjakin tried to win by making a temporary sacrifice so that he could promote, but Carlsen cleverly back-sacrificed his knight to eliminate the threat. Very interesting draw. I can't wait until these players reverse colors.
Apr-25-14  LIFE Master AJ: yes! BK to e8! (Dumb me.)

Young man never wrote back ... either I confused him beyond all chance of recall or ...

Apr-25-14  john barleycorn: one student less, i suppose.
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