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|Jul-12-14|| ||john barleycorn: Possible pun = Polgar's revenge?|
|Jul-12-14|| ||kdogphs: I love playing the Symmetrical English as White, Kramnik underestimate his opponent perhaps? The recapture of 28)...bxc6 was great I thought, as it leaves the knight on d8 more options later. Said knight seems limited on c6. Great gam by Meier though.|
|Jul-12-14|| ||Marmot PFL: Looks like a classic example of underestimating an opponent.|
|Jul-12-14|| ||notyetagm: Kramnik vs G Meier, 2014|
<Chizoad: Admittedly I'm no expert, but I've played this position as white many times with nearly zero success. Kramnik was already playing defensively by move 6 after allowing black so much space.>
Yes, Kramnik was *much* worse out of the opening and could not save the position.
Terrible way to start the tournament for Kramnik, losing badly with White(!) to a tail-ender(!).
|Jul-12-14|| ||louisounet: Kramnik..what a surprise:( it's a pity i love him..
On IChallengeYou, most people think Caruana will win..And you, what's your opinion? On my side i still see Kramnik coming back!
|Jul-12-14|| ||Penguincw: Who would've thought Meier would defeat Kramnik with the black pieces after not even salvaging a draw in 4 previous meetings?|
|Jul-13-14|| ||Sokrates: Wow. that was a road to hell for Mr Kramnik. Meier played a wonderful direct, simple, cautious, and irresistable chess after taking the lead in the opening. Not much Kramnik could do after locking himself behind bars.|
|Jul-13-14|| ||luzhin: In these sort of openings, if White fails to get in b4 then he has almost no play at all. Kramnik missed his best chance with 7.b4 (with the familiar idea 7...cxb4 8.axb4 Bxb4 9.Nxe5!) And after 17....0-0-0 he had to try 18.b4. After 18...Qb3! Meier blocked it for good.|
|Jul-13-14|| ||virginmind: Opponent underestimation from beginning up to the very end - else why the late resignation? Kramnik was playing as if he couldn't believe his eyes.|
|Jul-13-14|| ||1971: Kramnik is notorious for resigning late. Simple, straightforward play for Black right out of the opening.|
|Jul-13-14|| ||notyetagm: Kramnik vs G Meier, 2014|
<<<<luzhin: In these sort of openings, if White fails to get in b4 then he has almost no play at all.>>> Kramnik missed his best chance with 7.b4 (with the familiar idea 7...cxb4 8.axb4 Bxb4 9.Nxe5!)>
In his ICC round recap video, GM Yermolinsky was *shocked* that Kramnik did not play 7 b2-b4 as you suggested.
<And after 17....0-0-0 he had to try 18.b4. After 18...Qb3! Meier blocked it for good.>
Looks like a good summary for this game is the following:
Kramnik misplayed the opening, missed *two* chances to create <COUNTERPLAY> with the <FREEING PAWN BREAK> b2-b4 (7 b2-b4!, 18 b2-b4!), had zero <COUNTERPLAY> as a result, and was then rolled off the board.
|Jul-13-14|| ||notyetagm: <1971: Kramnik is notorious for resigning late. Simple, straightforward play for Black right out of the opening.>|
One sign that you have played *very* badly: your opponent is beating you with simple, obvious, and strong moves.
Simple and strong, they say in the annotations.
|Jul-13-14|| ||goodevans: I don't get why white surrenders both K-side pawns without a fight. Why not 31.Nh2 for instance?|
|Jul-13-14|| ||whiteshark: <Kramnik’s worst game in the last 25 years>, acc. to Spanish IM David Martínez|
for rd 1 analysis: http://chess24.com/en/read/news/dor...
|Jul-13-14|| ||Ulhumbrus: If after 17 Re2 Kramnik hoped for g4 and g5 following 17...0-0, the move 17...0-0-0!! upset completely this plan|
|Jul-13-14|| ||notyetagm: https://chess24.com/en/read/news/do...|
<whiteshark: <Kramnik’s worst game in the last 25 years>, acc. to Spanish IM David Martínez>
<41. ♕e7 ♘b7
Unquestionably Kramnik's worst game in the last 25 years... and I'm only not adding more years because I don't remember seeing his junior games! At least I hope that if you hadn't seen this idea of delaying castling in order to attack a weakened enemy king this game will have served some good. <<<Kramnik could simply have resigned after h5-h4... >>>>
|Jul-13-14|| ||Ulhumbrus: I must correct my previous message. After 17 Re2 Black can't play 17...0-0 as his rook is on g8 so he has to play 17...0-0-0 and so defeat the plan of g4 and g5 for White|
|Jul-14-14|| ||ralph46: talking about the opening 7 b4 was good playing a benko gambit with colored reversed with an extra tempo. Another good idea for white is to play 6 d3 instead of a3 now on 6 ..e5 b4 and on other moves e3 playing a reversed benoni. e4 was a bad positional move true that when we play kings indian with black we sometimes do play c5 but only in positions where we try to slow whites counter play on the queen side|
|Jul-14-14|| ||parisattack: <Chizoad: Admittedly I'm no expert, but I've played this position as white many times with nearly zero success. Kramnik was already playing defensively by move 6 after allowing black so much space.>|
I played 1. g3 exclusively, reversed Benonis more than a few times. I never got really good positions either - even with b4 in early. 'Reversed' openings more to them than the simple 'move-in-hand.' The threat/parry tension is usually missing so they can be real duds.
Still, in the right hands:
Larsen vs Geller, 1960
|Jul-14-14|| ||mrbasso: <In these sort of openings, if White fails to get in b4 then he has almost no play at all.>|
Nonsense. After 8.e3 it's a reversed Benoni.
7.b4 is playable but nothing special and 7.d3 is not a mistake.
|Jul-14-14|| ||Strelets: Meier has mentioned the influence of Smyslov on his approach to chess. He played much like his idol in this game: clear, correct ideas that flowed effortlessly. Kramnik once said that playing through games by Smyslov caused him to develop a mental picture of the seventh world champion playing as though he was drinking a cup of tea or reading the newspaper at the same time. This was a real tea/newspaper game for Herr Meier.|
|Jul-14-14|| ||1971: <notyetagm> In the style of Morphy, Capablanca and Fischer!|
|Jul-16-14|| ||Whitehat1963: Excellent performance from Meier, who gave up 145 Elo points and played black to perfection against the mighty Kramnik.|
|Jul-20-14|| ||PawnSac: < louisounet: Kramnik..what a surprise: what's your opinion? On my side i still see Kramnik coming back! >|
Take a look at Kramnik's rating progress report from FIDE..
as you can see from this report his rating has been like a roller coaster, up and down. he has good spells and bad spells. so it is most likely he will bounce back, but not likely to his peak as in 02/03 (from July 01 to Jam 03) when he stayed over 2800 for a year and a half
|Dec-15-15|| ||Domdaniel: <Paris Attack> I've also had problems in Reti lines where Black plays ...d4 -- the Reversed Benoni just doesn't seem to be very good. Perhaps it lacks the counterplay factor that makes the Benoni itself playable - a bit like the situation of Bird's Opening vis-ŕ-vis the Dutch.|
Delchev, in 'The Modern Reti' says that after ...d4 White has to challenge for the iniative at once.
Kramnik played the opening lightly, got into trouble, couldn't get out.
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