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Vladimir Kramnik vs Fabiano Caruana
Dortmund Sparkassen (2014), Dortmund GER, rd 5, Jul-18
King's Indian Defense: Fianchetto Variation. Immediate Fianchetto (E60)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Jul-18-14  Marmot PFL: Looks like a draw once they hit move 40.
Jul-18-14  Ulhumbrus: On 41 Ne5 Qf1 is mate
Jul-18-14  IraqSon: Caruana rode the tide but it seems drawish everyway unless there's a blunder.
Jul-18-14
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  perfidious: <Marmot PFL: Kasparov had very bad opening preparation for that match. Even when trailing he got nothing with white and also played badly with black in the Nimzo (not his best opening)>

Kasparov scarcely <tried> to get anything with White--the numerous short draws were a most uncharacteristic feature. Then, there was the strange business of his using the QGA.

Jul-18-14
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  MissScarlett: <Kasparov had very bad opening preparation for that match.>

He had very good preparation, just not for the openings that were played.

Jul-18-14  Marmot PFL: Thanks for game. Good thing Kramnik didn't lose and drop out of the top 10 (behind Wesley So).
Jul-18-14  1d410: A draw with Kramnik is a worthy result
Jul-18-14  Marmot PFL: <He had very good preparation, just not for the openings that were played.>

Like saying I studied Physics all night, for a test on US History.

Jul-18-14  biskop: Looks like Kramnik had a busy knight.
Jul-18-14
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  PawnSac: <1d410: A draw with Kramnik is a worthy result>

I'd turn it around.. For Kramnik a draw with Caruana is a worthy result.

Jul-18-14
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  thegoodanarchist: <PawnSac: <1d410: A draw with Kramnik is a worthy result>

I'd turn it around.. For Kramnik a draw with Caruana is a worthy result.>

Not until Caruana has had a stint as World Champion will this be so

Jul-18-14
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  thegoodanarchist: <Marmot PFL: <He had very good preparation, just not for the openings that were played.>

Like saying I studied Physics all night, for a test on US History.>

But those are both interesting subjects, at least..

Jul-18-14
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  thegoodanarchist: <lhumbrus: <Absentee: <Ulhumbrus: <IraqSon: Is Kramnik that strong to make Caruana thinks for so long!> Kramnik is the only player who won a world championship match against Kasparov> Euwe is the only player who won a world championship match against Alekhine. So?> Then perhaps Euwe could have made Caruana think for a long time as well.>

And Spassky is the only person to win a world championship match against Petrosian!

So Spassky could make Caruana think for a time as well.

And Botvinnik is the only person to win a world championship match with Tal. So Botvinnik could make Caruana think for a long time also, if Botvinnik were not dead.

Jul-18-14  Absentee: <thegoodanarchist: Not until Caruana has had a stint as World Champion will this be so>

It's been 14 years since Kramnik beat Kasparov, and he's beein doing rather badly as of late. Drawing Caruana is definitely a good result for him right now.

Jul-18-14  goldenbear: Why not 15.Ne3 exactly?
Jul-19-14  Kinghunt: <thegoodanarchist: <lhumbrus: <Absentee: <Ulhumbrus: <IraqSon: Is Kramnik that strong to make Caruana thinks for so long!> Kramnik is the only player who won a world championship match against Kasparov> Euwe is the only player who won a world championship match against Alekhine. So?> Then perhaps Euwe could have made Caruana think for a long time as well.> And Spassky is the only person to win a world championship match against Petrosian!

So Spassky could make Caruana think for a time as well.

And Botvinnik is the only person to win a world championship match with Tal. So Botvinnik could make Caruana think for a long time also, if Botvinnik were not dead.>

And nobody ever won a world championship match against Carlsen or Fischer. But like Botvinik, Fischer's play has also suffered of late from being dead. So clearly, Carlsen is the GOAT, and could make Caruana think the longest.

Jul-19-14
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  perfidious: Reductio ad absurdum.
Jul-19-14
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  thegoodanarchist: <Kinghunt:

And nobody ever won a world championship match against Carlsen or Fischer. But like Botvinik, Fischer's play has also suffered of late from being dead>

I bet he gets into lots of time trouble.

Jul-19-14
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  thegoodanarchist: <Absentee:

It's been 14 years since Kramnik beat Kasparov, and he's beein doing rather badly as of late. Drawing Caruana is definitely a good result for him right now.>

Currently Kramnik is number 8 in the world with a 2777 rating. Caruana is number 4 in the world, and rated only 12 points higher.

If what you are saying were true, I would expect Kramnik's rating to reflect him "doing rather badly" of late. But it doesn't

Jul-19-14  john barleycorn: <thegoodanarchist: ...

I bet he gets into lots of time trouble.>

forfeited by the zero tolerance rule.

Like once our HR department sent out a termination letter although they knew that the guy died 2 weeks earlier.

(HR = Human Remains)

Jul-19-14
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  perfidious: <john b> Silly me--I thought it stood for Home Recker.
Jul-19-14  john barleycorn: <perfidious> Just accept the motto "I am here to learn". In fact, we all are - except the inventor of that catchy phrase...
Jul-31-14
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  thegoodanarchist: <john barleycorn:

Like once our HR department sent out a termination letter although they knew that the guy died 2 weeks earlier.

(HR = Human Remains)>

Ouch! That is harsh!

Mar-11-15
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  whiteshark: <KID vs GID mis-classification is the worst here>

This should be re-classified as Neo-Grunfeld, 6.O-O, Main line (D79) like hundreds of other games. http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... I won't wait for another decade...

Mar-11-15
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  perfidious: There are others, such as practically anything with 1.Nf3 getting lumped into A04, as well as games starting with 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 c5 4.d5 exd5 5.cxd5 d6 sent to E10, when it is very clearly a Modern Benoni.
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