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Magnus Carlsen vs Fabiano Caruana
"Two Car Collision" (game of the day Jan-31-2015)
Sinquefield Cup (2014), Saint Louis, MO USA, rd 3, Aug-29
Bishop's Opening: Berlin Defense (C24)  ·  0-1
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Sep-23-14  fisayo123: 20..Nd3!!
Sep-23-14  ljfyffe: It was a dark and stormy night!
Oct-08-14  GarloPemberton: Unuh! 20..Nd3! a natural counter in a kick ass position. What fascinates me about the game is at what point does Carlsen see 34..Qg1+ as the final move. After 21.Qxd3, Carlsen has a pretty exchange line and what looks to be his type of game. On what move was he like, "Yep, 34.Qg1+ will do it."? I would just love to know how far out he could see the end.
Oct-23-14  ljfyffe: Well, it was dark....at least, it was difficult for me to see!
Dec-12-14  TheBishopOfNot: 20. Nd3!! leads to mate if white ignores the knight Qe3+ Kh1
Qxg3 and mate follows shortly after
Jan-19-15  jrofrano: This game was the game of 2014: http://lifezugzwang.com/10-games-fr...
Jan-31-15
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  Abdel Irada: The theme of this pun seems, um, *familiar*: T van Scheltinga vs Van der Wiel, 1983 (kibitz #3). :-D

Jan-31-15
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  Abdel Irada: <But lose is not the same as hose or nose.>

Or "close," for that matter.

English is not the most phonetically consistent language, and this is why speakers of other languages have difficulty mastering pronunciation as well as spelling.

It is, however, harder to account for such mistakes on the part of native speakers. One finds it hard not to reach certain conclusions about our educational system, but perhaps that is unfair to educators.

Jan-31-15  Garech: Fantatsic play from Fabiano after the error from Carlsen, great game!

-Garech

Jan-31-15
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  MissScarlett: This was GOTD on Sep-18-14, with the sublime pun, <Car Wars>. Why the inferior rehash?
Jan-31-15  Sally Simpson: <Car Wars>. Why the inferior rehash?"

The original 'Car Wars' got my vote for best pun of the year. But the person whose job it is to add these puns was jealous of 'Car Wars' because he never thought of it so changed it.

It's petty and it's silly but that is how it goes.

On a pedantic note neither Magnus or Fabiano own a car but that should not detract from the original pun.

Jan-31-15
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  chancho: Changing a pun.

Quite silly.

Jan-31-15
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  OhioChessFan: I thought "Car Wars" was lame. Obvious, obvious, obvious.
Jan-31-15  paavoh: <Not easy, especially for people who don't have English as their first language>

Yes, I can attest to this. My native language is >99.9% WYSIWYG for pronunciation. Any personal attempts to infer logical rules for English pronunciation usually fail. Seems to me, English must be LEARNED.

Jan-31-15
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  Richard Taylor: I analysed this game a while ago and Carlsen's sacrifice was not bad, if not leading to a winning advantage. It was, like a more recent game of his I saw, in the spirit of Tal, which belies the sterotype some of him as being only a "quiet" positional player (as if such things as tactics and positional ideas could be separated).

I forget where he went wrong but Caruana, while not lost, defended and counterattacked. This adds another interesting game to Carlsen's and Caruand's store of games.

Jan-31-15
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  Richard Taylor: What was the meaning of the pun except that we have 'Car' lsen and 'Car' uana - or was there no other "layer"? A movie or a song, or just the sad and common event of a car crash?
Jan-31-15  MindCtrol9: English is not easy not even for the English speakers.They have to ask for the spelling of some names and words as well.I speak Spanish which is my native language, and I don't have to to anybody how to write any word or name because I know how.English is not easy as I thought it was.
Jan-31-15
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  Richard Taylor: < paavoh: <Not easy, especially for people who don't have English as their first language> Yes, I can attest to this. My native language is >99.9% WYSIWYG for pronunciation. Any personal attempts to infer logical rules for English pronunciation usually fail. Seems to me, English must be LEARNED.>

Actually the 'rules' (which are constantly broken in ALL countries) do in fact follow pretty logically consistent patterns.

Every language is difficult if you haven't learned it which is what children do. We speak our languages by and large without thinking. But one example is the 'wh' it was originally pronounced as an 'f' (if you ever here Chaucer as he spoke it ca 1300-1400 on CD or record you will see how it has developed.

Other ones are the 'ough' sounds. But if you try to make them more 'logical' a lot of problems arise in distinguishing them...

I know this as once I had a book (for a job) to teach a Chinese boy English, and it emphasized the need for people (not only foreign people but children learning to improve their reading-writing skills) to pronounce words well. Pronunciation is what I tried to concentrate on. The book showed how quite consistent English pronunciation. Of course, like all languages there are millions of dialects and "slang" words.

Jan-31-15
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  Richard Taylor: I found the same when I tried to learn Spanish!
Jan-31-15
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  Richard Taylor: All languages are difficult to learn especially when one is older. I am no linguist at all but I know something of the theory of languages and obviously my own language. Pronunciation is hard for sure.

In the end the Chinese boy and I spent most of our time playing chess games. I told him to just keep on speaking English as much as he could.

Of course, most (European) Kiwis don't bother learning other languages so we are increasingly getting more and more people here misunderstanding each other in all senses of the term...the demographic has changed here very much. (Many of the older Chinese here, for example, can hardly speak more than one or two words of English, but that varies also. But there are Spanish speakers, people from the many Balkan countries, Polynesian, Indian (and the many different languages there), German, Dutch,Afrikaans, Ethiopian, Iraqian, Iranian, Kurds, Russians, Estonians....the list goes on and the varieties of languages and ethnicities are increasing.

Much as many places in the world.

Jan-31-15
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  Richard Taylor: I recall now, I think Caruana was unwise to play 14. ... Nc5. Perhaps he didn't consider Bxf7, which is annoying if it is not clear. Better to have avoided that (in objective terms)...
Nov-26-15  Imran Iskandar: It would be a completely different game if Carlsen played Nh4+, instead of Nxe5++.
Dec-19-15  Paragua: I consider this to be the best game for 2014. Carlsen fight till d end but cannot withstand caruana's initiative for brilliant attack
Apr-27-16  Tuzmor: Magnus played a spectacular but risky opening against Caruana who managed to defend accurately leaving Magnus in a difficult position after all the fireworks were done.

31. Nh2 is actually the most brilliant move of the game because it's a statement, not a mere blunder. With Nh2 Magnus says: "I can't see how white can stop black from slowly but surely improve his position and eventually win."

Of course Magnus saw that the correct move was Qh2, but he saw deeper than that. He saw that after Qh2 there is no way to draw the game. And that is something.

Houdini 3 Pro x64 at depth 24 played the position from move 31 and slowly but surely achieved a win with the black pieces.

Magnus, it seems, is not without a sense of humor when faced with a lost position.

Jul-09-17  Whitehat1963: Excellent display of the Opening of the Day via transposition.
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