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Magnus Carlsen vs Hikaru Nakamura
Sinquefield Cup (2014), Saint Louis, MO USA, rd 7, Sep-03
Slav Defense: General (D10)  ·  1-0
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Sep-03-14  1d410: <Miss Scarlett> Doubt it
Sep-03-14
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  HeMateMe: nak seems like the undersized kid taking on the bully in the school yard, each day. He will keep coming back for more, until he wins one of these.
Sep-03-14  The17thPawn: <HeMateMe> - I think Naka will eventually break through as well but he still seems doomed to be Carlsen's whipping boy.
Sep-03-14
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  HeMateMe: im sure Nak could draw some of these games, but he is going aggressively for a win each time, to somehow break into MC's psyche and justify his own high rating. Could take awhile...
Sep-03-14  Kinghunt: My biggest question about this game isn't how Nakamura could go so badly wrong so early on, but why did he insist on dragging it out so long?

After move 28, black is just down two pawns without any compensation. That would have been a great time to resign.

After move 35, black is still down two pawns, with his a pawn about to be blockaded, leaving white with a 5-2 pawn majority on the kingside. Another great time to resign.

But hey, at least he got the clue by move 52. For a while there, I was sure he'd insist on forcing Carlsen to mate him.

Sep-03-14  Karposian: <Kinghunt: My biggest question about this game isn't how Nakamura could go so badly wrong so early on, but why did he insist on dragging it out so long?>

I completely agree. It didn't make much sense. But Naka actually does this quite often. He often plays on in hopelessly lost positions. Why he does it? No idea, but it looks silly!

Sep-03-14  dumbgai: The appropriate thing to do if your opponent REALLY refuses to resign is to under-promote 4 knights. I don't mind when my opponents drag games out, it just lets me enjoy my winning position for longer.
Sep-03-14  bobthebob: <He often plays on in hopelessly lost positions. Why he does it?>

Maybe after being up 7.0 in that game against Carlsen, he thinks that maybe Carlsen would return the favor and blow the game ;)

Sep-03-14  bobthebob: <He often plays on in hopelessly lost positions. Why he does it?>

Any chance that he just wanted to give Carlsen a hard time since Carlsen is facing Caruana tomorrow and he would prefer a Caruana win?

Sep-04-14  rogl: Except he didn't give Carlsen a hard time. Magnus could win this endgame in his sleep.
Sep-04-14
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  SirRuthless: I can't imagine how anyone could wonder how a player like nakamura who has a tendency toward and a history of fighting to the death ,and sometimes just seppuku, would play on for an extra hour. Maybe he was trying to avoid having to explain to the miss why he lost to carlsen for the trillionth time. Maybe he was trying to poke at carlsen or maybe he wanted to simmer in the pain of yet another embarrassing blow-up so he can better remember the feelings when he finally gets that elusive win... Who can say?
Sep-04-14  mrbasso: <nak seems like the undersized kid taking on the bully in the school yard, each day. He will keep coming back for more, until he wins one of these.>

I don't think this would change anything. Carlsen's psyche is stable (more stable than Caruana's even). He continues coming back again and again in tournaments. In this tournament he was shared last. Now he will finish 2nd place.

Sep-04-14
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  morfishine: 3 pawns do not beat 5
Sep-04-14
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  luzhin: The astonishing thing is that Naka thought for something like three quarters of an hour after Carlsen simply snapped off the offered pawn with 12.Nxe5. I can only guess that he had got his variations mixed up. One thing is certain: he can't play against Carlsen.
Sep-04-14  Ulhumbrus: One justification for 10...e5 is that it opens lines after White has undeveloped his QN by 9 Nb1. The counter-objection is that Black is no better developed than White.

The comments by the American commentators ( Ashley, Seirawan, Shahade) suggest that at the time Nakamura chose 11...Na6 he may have not seen that after 12...Nb4 the potential threat of the discovered check ...c3-c2+ was less effectual than it appeared to be effectual, so much so that White could ignore it in attacking f7 instead by moves such as 10 Qb3, 12 Nxe5 and 14 Bc4.

Sep-04-14  ChessYouGood: Typically weak play by Nakamura here to further correct his live rating. I think the only reason he plays on in such lost positions is that he does not understand he is lost.
Sep-04-14
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  perfidious: <ChessYouGood: Typically weak play by Nakamura here to further correct his live rating.>

Tell you what: this fish has no business being in the top thousand, if one were to believe the likes of 'experts' such as you. It is well known that, same as Carlsen, in the eyes of his detractors, Naka cannot put a foot right.

<....I think the only reason he plays on in such lost positions is that he does not understand he is lost.>

If I were forced to choose which portion of this kibitz is the more foolish, I should surely have to plump for this, pathetic as the first sentence is.

Sep-04-14  Interbond: Some players feel it is better to lose in 50 moves rather than 15, even if they were lost after 15. Perhaps Nakamura doesn't want his games to end up in a miniatur collection by Gary Lane? This game will anyway be included in James Plaskett's next "Catastrophe in the Opening" ;-)
Sep-04-14
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  perfidious: <Interbond: Some players feel it is better to lose in 50 moves rather than 15, even if they were lost after 15....>

If anyone ever doubted the veracity of your statement--and I do not--here is Exhibit A, to wit: Nunn vs Kiril Georgiev, 1988

The winner wryly noted that, if his grandmaster opponent's intent in playing on all the way past the time check was to make the game less publishable in some fashion, it did not work, for some publications had Black resigning at move ten!

Sep-04-14  zborris8: < Jan Gustafsson: "Nakamura's 10...e5 is a mistake according to my (old) notes, I preferred 10...Na6"

< Chris Bird (Arbiter): "Hikaru to Magnus at the end of the game, 'I guess ...e5 is just a bad move?' Magnus, 'Yeh'.">>

Sep-05-14
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  MissScarlett: <I wouldnít say I have that approach where itís just ďF that guy,Ē but there are quite a few players who, when I play them, I just want to crush them. There are people who when I sit down across from them, I just want to destroy them.

I donít want to use names, but letís just say, there are two players on the top 10 in the world who every time I sit down across from them, I just want to destroy them.

[...]

For example, when Fischer played the World Championship match 42 years ago in Iceland, I think his preparation was he took, literally, one notebook with maybe 50 of Boris Spasskyís games.

Now with chess programs today, I could look at 50 games in a few hours on my computer. And because of that, the level of information that exists is so much greater, and therefore, consequently, the game is much harder. People donít make silly mistakes the way they used to, because now you can study.>

http://www.redbull.com/us/en/storie...

Sep-06-14
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  Penguincw: Analysis for this game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4L....
Dec-28-14
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  thegoodanarchist: <HeMateMe: im sure Nak could draw some of these games, but he is going aggressively for a win each time>

He HAS drawn some of these games. 16 to be exact, as of today.

Jul-13-15  posoo: What ib BLAZES is nukmura doing?! Da whole world knos dat u cannot take a pawn so early EVER. and then to allow carlsen da pleasure of ROALING his pons down da board? No wonder nukmus got be baned from ICC.
Jul-13-15  not not: watching these two playing is like watching early Alekhine vs Capablanca games; perhaps one day Nakamura will learn what Alekhine did learn back then:

tactics flows from positional superiority (Fischers words): you simply cannot bully other player, by lauching tactical melee, by attacking him, if you did not outplay him POSITIONALY first

mr Nakamura, first outplay mr Carlson positionaly, then finish him tacticaly

you can bully people with cheap tactics, but this person is WC and will not let you to do so (Alekhine did understand it at the end)

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