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Vladimir Kramnik vs Viswanathan Anand
London Chess Classic (2014), London ENG, rd 1, Dec-10
Semi-Slav Defense: Botvinnik System. Lilienthal Variation (D44)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Dec-10-14  1d410: The two greatest drawmasters on the planet play 20 moves of theory and then liquidate everything to a draw.
Dec-10-14
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  whiteshark: As the commentators said afterwards the position after <40... Rb8> has already been played ten times by computers.

huh

Dec-10-14  tonsillolith: <As the commentators said afterwards the position after <40... Rb8> has already been played ten times by computers.>

They are saying that Kramnik and Anand are each five computers, I think.

Dec-10-14  Ulhumbrus: I thought that Anand was playing brilliantly finding one computer choice after another and then it appeared from the comments of Short and King that they were in fact computer moves and that this was computer analysis
Dec-10-14
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  perfidious: <tonsillolith> That being so, small wonder no-one can play them!
Dec-10-14  dumbgai: And this is why the top GMs rarely play the Botvinnik now. It was popular 20 years ago but draws were found in all the main lines, and the amount of theory to memorize is huge.
Dec-10-14
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  MissScarlett: Klaus Junge must be turning in his grave: http://www.kwabc.org/archive/Bilder...
Dec-10-14  Marmot PFL: 24...Rxg3+ is old Russian analysis

Yusupov vs V Tukmakov, 1987

Dec-10-14  Nerwal: The interesting thing that appeared in the post-mortem was that Kramnik had only general knowledge of the position (he knew the Yusupov - Tukmakov game, and like Kasparov he had previously dismissed the position after 26. ♖d1 as better for white), while Anand had done thorough computer analysis of the position for the 2008 World Championship match...
Dec-10-14  visayanbraindoctor: The Botvinnik, one of the sharpest (and most analyzed) lines of the Semi-Slav. Take a look at these games:

R Palme vs K Junge, 1941

Starke vs K Junge, 1942

H Lehmann vs K Junge, 1942

H Zollner vs K Junge, 1942

H Ullrich vs K Junge, 1942

Junge not only invented it, he was deadly with it.

Here is Junge on the black side of the likewise super sharp Meran:

F Herzog vs K Junge, 1941

P F Schmidt vs K Junge, 1941

T Regedzinski vs K Junge, 1941

Seeing games like this makes one wonder how Junge would have further affected top level chess and opening theory had he lived through the war.

Dec-10-14  greed and death: <1d410: The two greatest drawmasters on the planet play 20 moves of theory and then liquidate everything to a draw.>

I don't see Leko anywhere... :P

Dec-11-14  SimonWebbsTiger: <Retweeted Nigel Short (@nigelshortchess):

Chewed to death and spat out by hundreds of engines - Kramnik-Anand was one of the most depressing games I have ever seen ‪#żlondonchess>

Dec-11-14
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  MissScarlett: As the most booked-up players on the current scene, I think these two enjoy the mutual opportunity of showing off the fruits of their labour. Only Caruana approaches them.
Dec-11-14
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  whiteshark: Analysis by GM Jan Gustafsson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSzn... Enjoy!
Dec-11-14  Ulhumbrus: <dumbgai: And this is why the top GMs rarely play the Botvinnik now. It was popular 20 years ago but draws were found in all the main lines, and the amount of theory to memorize is huge.> Did Anand ever meet Botvinnik ? He did encounter Tal and Fischer.
Dec-11-14
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  MissScarlett: Not that I'm aware of, but given that Vishy played in Moscow in the 1994 and 1995 Intel Grand Prix events, it's possible.
Dec-12-14
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  beenthere240: At move 16 the engines were predicting Rb1m which seems to set up a nice attack if the knight is taken - (bxc3, bxc3, Q a6 followed by a rook sack on b7 and after Qxb7, cxe6, when black seems to get a Q and B for a N, R and B). But after a 10 minute think K played Na4 and the evals got even.
Dec-18-14  1d410: <greed and death> Leko is also a good drawmaster. He tied Kramnik at a world championship match. Kramnik and Anand were able to win a few though...
Dec-18-14  SatelliteDan: Was Kramnik invided to Tata Steel 2015? He is not on the player list.
Dec-18-14
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  chancho: No.

He's playing Zurich in February.

Apr-17-19  Hulkhogan357: I really like this game...
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