|Jan-15-15|| ||Ulhumbrus: 20 g3?! disturbs White's king side pawns and apparently without necessity. Instead of this 20 Be3 gets the queen's bishop out and attacks a7|
|Jan-15-15|| ||Marmot PFL: 20 Be3 leaves e4 undefended.|
|Jan-15-15|| ||Whitehat1963: What's the finish?|
|Jan-15-15|| ||kdogphs: anything involving 37) Rh8+, skewering the king and rook. It seems that no matter what Black does, that move is coming down.|
|Jan-15-15|| ||Whitehat1963: I must be ridiculously blind. I don't see what happens if 36...Qg7, for example.|
|Jan-15-15|| ||perfidious: <Whitehat> The rook is lost.|
|Jan-15-15|| ||ajile: Um isn't it Black that's supposed to get the k-side attack in this opening?|
|Jan-15-15|| ||perfidious: He did manage some futile gestures, but nothing more.|
Games like this, where the kingside bash never gets off the ground, can make the Classical line look like practically a forced win for White.
|Jan-15-15|| ||whiteshark: GM Jan Gustafsson takes a look at this exciting game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CABo...|
|Jan-15-15|| ||passion pour 64: The rook in g4 is threatened, hence 36...Qg7 is answered by 37.Qxg4 and 36...Rg5 by 37.Qe6+ Qxe6 38.Rxg5+! K any 39.dxe6(+) White wins.|
|Jan-15-15|| ||Whitehat1963: Yeah, <perfidious>. Having an exceptionally blind moment!|
|Jan-15-15|| ||Captain Hindsight: <Whitehat1963> Close to reality I wouldn't call it 'exceptionally' but <the usual>.|
|Jan-15-15|| ||Gilmoy: Actually, <20.g3!?> looks like a carefully-calculated monkey wrench that wrong-foots Black's pawn storm. The first goal (for White) is to prevent a file-opening trade; he'll even counter-sac an exchange to do this. Thereafter, g2 provides luft for his K to clear 1, with odd but swift heavy piece flow to h.|
Decades ago, KID pawn storm would trap the white K flat on 1, and overwhelm him with mate threats on 2. Hence any White who accepts this line has a trick or two to not do that.
White also ceded his typical Bayonet threats on d6, and played for the Nb6 outpost instead. That saved some tempi to pay for the shift to K-side.
|Jan-15-15|| ||Marmot PFL: <Games like this, where the kingside bash never gets off the ground, can make the Classical line look like practically a forced win for White.>|
Wish I could say that. Had many blitz games where I was up a rook (or more) and still got mated.
Even for good GMs timing and calculating 20 g3 (for example) is a real headache. White doesn't dare take (either) knight, defends well and still if 33... fxg3 34 fxg3 Qg7 instead of 33...Bg4? the outcome isn't clear.
|Jan-15-15|| ||Whitehat1963: <Captain Hindsight>, you're right. For me, it's the usual. I suck at chess. I can play a bit. I can solve Monday and Tuesday puzzles and maybe Wednesday puzzles on occasion, but from there I'm usually lost.|
|Jan-15-15|| ||Papagambit: Whitehat, you see that after your 36. ...Qg7, simply blunders a piece, then 37.Qg4 simplifies and wins. Different Mar del plata, both sides really blitzkrieging opposite wings. W had more defense on K side than B plus better developed.|
|Jan-16-15|| ||ajile: <Papagambit: Whitehat, you see that after your 36. ...Qg7, simply blunders a piece, then 37.Qg4 simplifies and wins. Different Mar del plata, both sides really blitzkrieging opposite wings. W had more defense on K side than B plus better developed.>|
33..fxg3 34.fxg3 Qg7 35. and now what?
I think you misread Marmot PFL's post since he is changing to 33..fxg3.
|Jan-16-15|| ||al wazir: 36...fxg3 37. Rh8+ Kg7 38. Rxb8 Rxf4+ 0:1.
I think black must have lost on time.
|Jan-16-15|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: I *think* that Black blundered away the Rook in time pressure, but it seems a tad unclear--does 36.Kf3,fxg3; 37.Qxg4,Qxg4+; 38.Kxg4,g2; 39.Rg5+,Kh8; 40.Kh3 secure the g2 pawn?|
|Jan-16-15|| ||shivasuri4: <al wazir>, no, Black simply resigned, because 36...fxg3 loses to 37.Qxg4. If 37...Rf8+, 38.Rf5 is good enough.|
|Jan-16-15|| ||perfidious: <Marmot: Even for good GMs timing and calculating 20 g3 (for example) is a real headache.>|
Tough enough for even we ordinary folk in these lines--maybe it is why I preferred the Saemisch and later, the fianchetto variation--not so much king to chew on, though oddly I managed fairly well those times I played 6.Be2.
|Jan-17-15|| ||Takya Kotov: <shivasuri4> If 38.Rf5 how about
38.....Qxg4+ 39.Kxg4 gxf2?
Anyway 38.Kxg3 should be enough.
|Jan-20-15|| ||shivasuri4: <Takya Kotov>, oh yes, 38.Kxg3 does the job.|
|Jan-25-15|| ||MissScarlett: Come on Baadur, play serious.|