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Luis Lalla vs Victor Alonso Martin
Villa Ballester LV op (2005), rd 8, Jan-15
Spanish Game: Morphy Defense (C70)  ·  1-0
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Mar-09-15  paavoh: I went with the more materialistic, less flashy Qd8 camp. Perhaps this was a test for personality traits as well.
Mar-09-15
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  Penguincw: My very first instinct was to give a bishop sac, but then I realized it was Monday. Black doesn't have a queen, so white can give up there's in exchange for the king. Or simply Qd8+ Ne8 and mate.
Mar-09-15  TheaN: Monday 9 March 2015 <17.?>

o.O?

<17.Qd8+ Ne8 18.Rxe8# 1-0>?

For the first time in history even a Monday position surprises me. Not worth of Qe8+, and I actually missed white is up the queen, instead of truly sacrificing her.

<agb: White is slightly ahead in material (Q+B).

Black is probably threatening to provoke a deadly jaw-dislocating yawn.> I laughed hard at both.

Mar-09-15  TheaN: What the heck was up with 11....Qf6? I enjoy speculative pieces sacrificing, but that pushes it. It's basically a helpmate in 7. Lets see how quick Stockfish finds a mate after 11....Qf6 :).
Mar-09-15  TheaN: After 7 minutes it was still on only +14, but I'll take it nonetheless.
Mar-09-15
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  Oxspawn: I thought the position must be a mistake and that black had a queen on c6 - but, so long as you choose 17 Qe8, it makes no difference to the outcome.
Mar-09-15
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  Phony Benoni: <Addel Irada> Looking at Martin's other games, I suspect that "win" over a Master -- which has no moves attached -- was a forfeit. I would put his rating in general below 1000.

Even so, 11...Qf6 is so awful (How awful is it? It's so awful that it couldn't be an example in <How Not To Play Chess>.) that I normally would put it down as a score error. Thing is, as the game goes, I can't find an reasonable substitute.

Normally, I would call for this game to be removed from the database, but now that it's enshrined in my Puzzle collections I suppose it has to stay.

Mar-09-15
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  Oxspawn: Here is a theory. Black went for his coffee cup but on the way touched the queen so had to move it. He realised that 11. Qe7 was a terrible move, but had no other legal move that did not lead to the queen being taken. Moving to g5 or h4 looks like a complete oversight – “I didn’t know your horsey thing could move like that”, so Qf6 was an act of bravado – “good heavens, he must being seeing something I can’t see.” A bluff dressed up as a blunder on the back of a clumsy gesture (in short, a “clumber”.) Any idea how long it took white to play 12. exf6?
Mar-09-15  dfcx: I went for 17.Qe8, then started counting and found white was up a queen and bishop, and next found Qd8.

Have mercy!

Mar-09-15
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  gawain: An odd one. I admit that I did not notice that white could force the mate with the queen-preserving Qd8+ as well as with Qe8+. That is kind of nifty.

But the first thing I noticed was that W was up a queen. That certainly takes all of the urgency out of finding that special winning combination!

Mar-09-15
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  Oxspawn: "don't choose Qe8", I meant. Gadzooks!
Mar-09-15
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  TheTamale: The real challenge of this puzzle is envisioning how Black could fall prey to a back rank mate after only 16 moves. Then you play the game over, and the real question is "What took so long?"
Mar-09-15
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  Bubo bubo: White is already a whole queen (!) up, and he mates in two with 17.Qd8+ Ne8 18.Qxe8#/Rxe8# or 17.Qe8+ Nxe8 18.Rxe8#.
Mar-09-15  Autoreparaturwerkbau: Black's position is so bad that i failed to see that black is not only a queen up, but also a minor piece (a bishop) up.

Quite a feat for mere 16 moves.

Mar-09-15
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  AvidChessMan: I also quickly noticed the missing black queen. I'd say the challenging part of this puzzle is trying to figure out 11...Qf6. Was Victor Alonso Martin playing this game blind???
Mar-09-15  BOSTER: Maybe the < f6> square on the chessboard is not the best to <give up> the queen, but some players like it.


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Mar-09-15
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  kevin86: Mate in two, with OR without the queen sac.

A POOR Monday puzzle.

What was black's ranking points: 50?

Mar-09-15  Marmot PFL: This game might make the "worst of the site" list (although competition is stiff).
Mar-09-15  Clodhopper: Finally, not just a problem I can solve, but a game I might have played!!
Mar-09-15
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  thegoodanarchist: VAM has to be the worst player in history.
Mar-09-15
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  Diademas: Since white is up a queen and a bishop, I tried to find a move that did not win for white. I could not find any.
Mar-09-15  Marmot PFL: Black has 31 (if i counted right) legal moves on move 11, and 28 are great improvements over what he played. He did at least get a pawn for the queen.
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Mar-09-15  Castleinthesky: This was a "sight puzzle," one I got as soon as I looked at it. It's always good to know there is someone worse than you, as there are so many more who are better.
Mar-09-15
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  offramp: My theory is that black was thinking about 11...f6 12.exf6 and then 12...Qxf6. He might have accidentally transposed moves.
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