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Magnus Carlsen vs Wesley So
Bilbao Masters (2016), Bilbao ESP, rd 4, Jul-16
Spanish Game: Berlin Defense (C65)  ·  1-0
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Jul-18-16
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  whiteshark: GM Niclas "Hutch" Huschenbeth takes us through this exciting encounter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50wg...
Jul-18-16  john barleycorn: <Ulhumbrus: Carlsen is, as was Lasker, a player proficient enough to be a master of the highest class. There is no quick remedy for his opponents for this, unless you believe that it is possible for a player to increase his proficiency quickly.>

I agree and proficiency cannot be increased at will. It takes talent and time to develop it. How many #2 have we seen over the years? the latest is MVL and now he is hailed to be the chosen one like Aronian, Caruana etc pp. before. Carlsen will be safe on his throne for at least one more decade, imo.

Jul-18-16
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  alexmagnus: Actually of the current Top 10 everyone but Carlsen himself, Ding Liren, and, I think, Karjakin (not sure about him) was rated live #2 at some point during Carlsen's time as #1.
Jul-19-16
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  piltdown man: The fan boys are quiet.
Jul-19-16  Sally Simpson: Hi Piltdown Man,

"The fan boys are quiet."

What are you talking about. The Carlsen fans were quite vocal on page one of this thread. :)

Wonder if Wes So feared some kind of prep from Carlsen.

The opening moves copied the round one game.

Karjakin vs W So, 2016

Karjakin played 5.c3. Magnus 5.Bxc6. After that and seeing 6.Qe2 and 7.Nbd2 (which apparently is new at this level.) Wes seemed determined to side step any pre game prep.

He succeeded. I don't think Carlsen expected a few of the moves Wes played.

Jul-19-16  SirRuthless: What a slaughter...
Jul-19-16  epistle: Carlsen's pre-game prep was to beat him.

And he succeeded.

Jul-19-16  john barleycorn: <epistle: Carlsen's pre-game prep was to beat him.

And he succeeded.>

Because going for one result shows more determination than going for 2 results. Carlsen's game was breathing the easy touch and clarity of Capablanca, Fischer and Karpov in the Ruy Lopez.

Jul-20-16  Nonnus: It seems the only thing Carlsen does not know about chess is what goes on inside Giri's mind while they're playing.
Jul-21-16
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  Viktorerro: Whoaaa, ugly sight. Looks like a typical - methodical demolition job of the Payatas, Quezon City's informal settlers' squatting houses made of light materials...and we are not even talking of the putrid stench that permeates around.
Jul-25-16  visayanbraindoctor: This game does not portend well for GM So in his future games against the World Champion. He strongly gives the impression of playing frightened chess, scared of castling kingside or queenside, and in the end allowing his king to get caught in the middle. He can't play like this against a genius like Carlsen, and hope to survive.

Nakamura did break his jinx against Carlsen in this tournament; so things can still change in the future.

Jul-26-16  Pulo y Gata: <He strongly gives the impression of playing frightened chess, scared of castling kingside or queenside, and in the end allowing his king to get caught in the middle. He can't play like this against a genius like Carlsen, and hope to survive.>

Well observed. But even if he charges like a raging bull, I doubt his results will improve much against the champ. Impressions will change though.

Jul-26-16
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  ambongtumbong: Only time will tell.. Nakamura have to suffer 12 losses before the jinx is broken against Carlsen.. Imagine that..
Jul-26-16
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  wordfunph: Yet Nakamura had reached no.2, 3 in live rating. Imagine that.
Jul-26-16  gokusano: 12 loses because of one purpose, beat sauron, hence the agressive play. Who among the other top 10 players is brave enough to play agressively against the world chess champion?
Jul-26-16
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  iking: the mighty Kasparov lost 5 games vs. Karpov before he earned his first win ... playing comfortably with the best masters takes time ... let us see as time goes on.
Jul-31-16
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  keypusher: < iking: the mighty Kasparov lost 5 games vs. Karpov before he earned his first win ... playing comfortably with the best masters takes time ... let us see as time goes on.>

The difference is Kasparov didn't start playing for draws against Karpov until he was down 4-0 in a match being played to six wins.

Aug-02-16
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  beenthere240: Thou shalt not make cheesy pawn grabs (21...Nxe4)
Aug-02-16  john barleycorn: <beenthere240: Thou shalt not make cheesy pawn grabs (21...Nxe4)>

yeah, a lot of basics violated. but such is desperation.

Aug-02-16
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  keypusher: < john barleycorn: <beenthere240: Thou shalt not make cheesy pawn grabs (21...Nxe4)> yeah, a lot of basics violated. but such is desperation.>

It's not even a pawn grab (21...Nxe4 22.Nxb6+ cxb6 23.dxe4). But the end result is to open the d-file AND the second rank -- two paths to the king. It's like painting a big red X on your chest and then going into a shooting gallery.

Guessing So missed Nxb6+, which is probably a pretty good indicator of his state of mind at the time.

Aug-02-16  sq077: 21...Nxe4 made it easier for white to exploit black's awful king's position.
Aug-02-16
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  beenthere240: Playing over this, I keep thinking that So kept putting off castling -- but after white's d3, Black might as well castle since he's not going to be look at the queen exchange on d8.
Dec-04-16
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  chancho: While annotating game 10 of Carlsen vs Karjakin world championship match for Chessbase, Wesley writes:

<17.Qe1 b6 18.Nd2 Rxa4 19.Nc4 Bf8? 20.Be3

And white won easily. Carlsen against strong GM 1-0.>

Which of course happens to be this game.

Dec-14-16  n59690: 5 bc5 was a terrible blunder for So, he was like a 10 year old hopefully trying to "italianize" The World Champ Carlsen with the old horsey+bishop trick that is facilitated at the italian opening, Im a big fan of So, but What the hell was he even attempting?!
Dec-14-16
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  perfidious: <keypusher.....The difference is Kasparov didn't start playing for draws against Karpov until he was down 4-0 in a match being played to six wins.>

Karpov also was content to play it safe: that was a match he might well have won, at worst, 6-2 or 6-3 had he wished to emerge from his shell after going up 5-nil. His choice however was passivity, but his young challenger gave little away after the hammer blows of the early phase of the match.

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