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Hikaru Nakamura vs Robert Aloma Vidal
Chess Olympiad (2016), Baku AZE, rd 1, Sep-02
Indian Game: Knights Variation. General (A46)  ·  1-0


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  thegoodanarchist: Nice Zugzwang by GM Nakamura in the double rook ending.
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  Shams: Not really zugzwang; 46...pass 47.Rd6 pass 48.Rdc6 pass 49.Rc8 is 1-0. But White's last move does nicely underscore his dominance.
Sep-03-16  ninja warrior: sorry gotta agree with tga here... doesn't white win with rxf7 (or rxg7+) next move, no matter what?
Sep-03-16  ninja warrior: hehe or kxa7 whoops...
Sep-03-16  ninja warrior: sorry i'm on a mobile phone & can't edit... axb8(q) is the last win. ok no more spamming ever i promise.
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  thegoodanarchist: <Shams: Not really zugzwang; 46...pass 47.Rd6 pass 48.Rdc6 pass 49.Rc8 is 1-0. But White's last move does nicely underscore his dominance.>

The term has been applied before in games where the loser still had a couple of moves. But I suppose a person must keep in mind, when posting, that there are nit pickers at chess websites more so than most other kinds of websites.

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  Shams: <tga> Sorry for being a zugzwang pedant. We don't want the wheels falling off the wagon around here. :)
Sep-03-16  ninja warrior: by definition zugzwang is 'compulsion to move', meaning any move worsens his position. black here will either release his protection of f7 or his saving tactical rebuttal of rxa7+, so seems to be a clear case of zugzwang... that's all i meant. :)
Sep-03-16  ninja warrior: oh snap I miscalculated and am wrong... you had it right shams sorry. :)
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  Shams: <ninja warrior> I haven't looked long at the position but why can't Black continue to mark time with ...Ra8-f8? He is lost but hey, at least he has a move. Or White has a winning shot in which case Black is just lost never having been zugged.

I could well be mistaken but I don't see even the weak flavor of zugzwang here (one in which the weakening forced need not on its own swing the game from a draw to a loss.) But <tga> is right, nitpicking over zugzwang isn't so productive.

Sep-03-16  ninja warrior: I (wrongly) assumed that rxf7 would be the threat, & that black resigned because of it... silly me it doesn't actually win a pawn like I thought at first, and of course your plan of doubling rooks is not only waay stronger, but also the natural course of the game, would it have continued. Thankfully, I'm not too proud to admit when I'm wrong & apologize for my mistakes! :)
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  thegoodanarchist: < Shams: <tga> Sorry for being a zugzwang pedant. We don't want the wheels falling off the wagon around here. :)>

Fair enough. I've been in enough wagons to know not to argue about it :)

Sep-16-16  enochmeta: Also I do think 18. e5 is legitimately innacurate they both kind of mailed in the first 25 moves
Sep-16-16  enochmeta: 22. .. Qxa3 is absolutely terrible
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