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Magnus Carlsen vs Sergey Karjakin
Carlsen - Karjakin World Championship (2016)  ·  Italian Game: Italian Variation (C50)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Nov-18-16  PJs Studio: Both players are not taking chances. It could cost either of them the crown. That said, neither of them became 2800 with taking unnecessary risks. Hard to beat these guys.

Possibly every game will be drawn. 6-6 which may hurt chess as a spectator sport- but we all know better. ;)

Nov-18-16
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  Eyal: Position after 43...Bd5:


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Here 44.e6 was a very good practical defensive choice by Carlsen. According to the engines 44.Kg3! - which Carlsen played only a move later - is better, completely equalizing. It prepares to meet 44...Rh8 with 45.e6 Qh6 46.Bxg5! Qh3+ 47.Kf4 Rf8+ 48.Ke3,and 44...Qh6 with 45.Rh2. However, to human eyes 44...Qb1 looks extremely dangerous and White would have to find a series of only moves (and not obvious ones) to survive: 45.Qd2! (45.e6? Qg1+ 46.Rg2 Qh1 47.Kf2 Rf8 48.Rg3 Qh2+ 49.Rg2 Qh4+ 50.Rg3 Rxf3+) 45...Qg1+ 46.Rg2 Qh1 (threatening mate on h4) 47.Bxg5! Rh8 48.Kf4! Rh3 49.Bf6! Rxf3+ 50.Kg5 Qh7 51.Rh2 and apparently there's nothing better for Black than repetition with 51...Qg8+ 52.Kh4 Qh7+ 53.Kg5 etc.

Nov-18-16
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  Eyal: <Both players are not taking chances>

They certainly do. In game 4, Karjakin went into a very sharp line - it just didn't work out for him; he miscalculated (or got outcalculated) and had to defend passively for the rest of the game. In this game, Carlsen kept trying to sharpen and unbalance the position with moves like 14.Bxf7+ & 18.Ne5-19.dxe5; he had much more solid options. The fact that games end with a draw doesn't mean that the players go for the draw from the start.

Nov-18-16  Open Defence: most interesting game of the match, I really liked 20...Bxc5
Nov-18-16  Open Defence: < Eyal: Position after 43...Bd5: > great stuff
Nov-18-16  Fanques Fair: 20...,a5 should have been tried. If Kariakin wants to become world champion, he has to take some risks.
Nov-18-16  RandomVisitor: After 43.Qxd4


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Komodo-10.1-64bit:

-0.59/43 43...Rh8 44.Qe4 Qh6 45.Kf1 Qh1+ 46.Ke2 Rd8 47.Rf1 Qh4 48.Qc2 Rd5 49.Qc3 Kb8 50.Rf2 Qg3 51.Bd4 Ka7 52.Qd2 Qg1 53.Ke3 Rd8 54.Qc3 Ka8 55.Ke2 Rd7 56.Qd2 Ka7 57.Qc3 Rd5 58.Ke3 Bf7 59.Ke2 Rd7 60.Ke3 Bd5 61.Ke2 Be6 62.Ke3 Ka8 63.Qb4 Kb8 64.Qc3 Kc8 65.Qd3 Rd5 66.Qd2

Nov-18-16
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  keypusher: <Open Defence: most interesting game of the match, I really liked 20...Bxc5>

Tell me more, because I thought it was a lucky break for MC.

Nov-18-16
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  patzer2: The game is pretty much level until 41. Kg2? when Black gets an edge after 41...hxg4 42. hxg4 Qh6 or 42...d4 as in the game. See <RV>'s deep Komodo 10.1 analysis above for a detailed look at these possibilities.

Instead of 41. Kg2?, White can keep it level with 41. Bxg5 = (0.00 @ 61 depth, Stockfish 8).

Two interesting alternatives for White are 14. Nxe5 (0.33 @ 37 depth, Stockfish 7) and 18. Rae3 = to (0.20 @ 37 depth, Komodo 10.2).

Nov-18-16
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  Sally Simpson: Hello,

Another good game, it had it's moments and Karjakin for the first time showing a hint of aggression. A sign of things to come?

I am not going to read all 30+ pages but hopefully someone else has noticed the 'Carlsen Pawn Formation.'

Game 4 (Carlsen Black)


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Game 5 (Carlsen White)


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In Game 4 Carlsen marched his King to a2.

In Game 5 I wonder if he kept getting distracted by the same idea, march the King to a7, so eventually played 32.a5...


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...to remove the temptation.

Karjakin now has two White's, are we going to see a 1.d4 or a 1.e4 with some bite to it. Team Karjakin must have something ready other than sending out their man to play it off the cuff.

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Hi Octavia,

I believe he (that's me) doesn't like his [Peter Svidler's] sexy voice.

He sounds like a bored bumble bee stuck in a tin can. Can someone not tell him to change the pitch of his voice every now and then.

I've seen him in post game interviews when the adrenalin is still flowing, he's good, funny.

Maybe he needs a blitz session before coming on air, maybe he had a cold. I'll give him another shot - no choice there, his is the only site I can get.

(of course it could be my old kit and a clapped out speaker making everyone sound like a buzz saw.)

It seems I have a happy choice.

Listen to gravel guts or come here and read about how great Fischer was (we know) or people still hankering for 24 game matches who seem to be unaware that would double the chances of more games like One and Two.

Nov-18-16
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  Sally Simpson: OOPS..nearly forgot today's quiz.

When was the last time a White Bishop was sacced on f7 in a World Chess Championship Game?

(it was the same circumstances as in this game. A Pseudo Sacrifice.)

Nov-18-16
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  zanzibar: <Sally> From memory...

Was it a pseudo-sac? Or was it just a way to get a pawn while avoiding a B+N fork?

(In other words - the pseudo-sac offered was Black's, not White's.)

Nov-18-16  RandomVisitor: A final look, after 43.Qxd4


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Komodo-10.1-64bit:

-0.59/49 43...Rh8 44.Qe4 Qh6 45.Kf1 Qh1+ 46.Ke2 Rd8 47.Rf1 Qh4 48.Qc2 Kb8 49.Qc3 Rd5 50.Bd4 Qh2+ 51.Rf2 Qg1 52.Qa1 Qg3 53.Qc3 Ka7 54.Qe3 Rd8 55.Kd3 Qg1 56.Kc2 Ba2 57.Qc3 Qb1+ 58.Kd2 Be6 59.Ke3 Qg1 60.Ke2 Bf7 61.Ke3 Rd5 62.Ke2 Rd7 63.Ke3 Be6 64.Ke2 Bd5 65.Qb4 Bf7 66.Ke3 Ka8 67.Qc3 Rd5 68.Ke2 Rd8 69.Ke3 Be6 70.Ke2 Rd7 71.Qd3 Bf7

Nov-18-16
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  HeMateMe: <sally,> would you say that both players will continue playing 1e4...e5, because both are worried about getting into the best home prep that the opponent has prepared for other openings?

this would than lead to the idea that both players feel they can win at 30 minute chess, in the tie breaker.

What do you think? with the repetition of this opening, are both players just waiting for the 30 minute games to begin?

Nov-18-16  thegoodanarchist: The reduction will be to a position with Bishops of opposite odor. Draw.
Nov-18-16
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  Sally Simpson: HI Zanzibar,

A pseudo sacrifice. Karpov was the last to play Bxf7+ sac in A World Tile Match in 1987 and before that it was Karpov in 1987 and before that it was Karpov in 1987 and before that it was Karpov in 1987.

I bet you never thought Karpov was such an enterprising sac-happy chappie.

Karpov vs Kasparov, 1987 (game 5)

Karpov vs Kasparov, 1987 (game 7)

Karpov vs Kasparov, 1987 (game 9)

and

Karpov vs Kasparov, 1987 (game 11)

Hi, HeMateMe,

If Kajakin if playing for a penalty shoot-out then it's a bit risky.

Apart from taking on Carlsen in rapid/blitz chess which does not sound too clever, Carlsen has the last White.

That could turn out to be the last laugh.

Nov-19-16  mistreaver: Carlsen - Karjakin, game five analysis
Read about table tennis, Italian reneissance.. Oh and little bit about chess :D http://www.chessentials.com/carlsen...
Nov-19-16
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  moronovich: <mistreaver> Congrats to a fine site !
Nov-19-16  mistreaver: <moronovich> Thanks alot man, when someone rated 100 points higher says that, it makes me thrilled :D
Nov-19-16
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  cormier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw8... c - k game 5
Nov-20-16
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  bubuli55: It seems SK is hesitant to take too much risks in this game. He said in the post interview he saw Qh6 but did not find Qa1 after Qh1. He chose not to let the white penetrate with Qd6. Well he can have the benefit of a doubt. So that's that.
Nov-20-16  Howard: So, 43...Rh8 would not have led to a forced win, correct? Frankly, I'm too lazy to wade through the 30 pages of commentary to this game.

BTW, why does Karjakin get two straight White's, in Games 6 and 7.

Nov-20-16
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  moronovich: <Howard: So, 43...Rh8 would not have led to a forced win, correct? Frankly, I'm too lazy to wade through the 30 pages of commentary to this game.>

Yes,no forced win,but chances for Karjakin.

Nov-21-16  GiuocoPianoMan: <Howard> The 2 whites is so each player will have the same number of white games after a rest day.
Nov-23-16  Howard: Thanks for the info, both of you.
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