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Magnus Carlsen vs Sergey Karjakin
"First Blood" (game of the day Nov-22-2016)
Carlsen - Karjakin World Championship (2016), New York, NY USA, rd 8, Nov-21
Rubinstein Opening (D05)  ·  0-1
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Nov-23-16  Open Defence: <Eyal> your thoughts on 51.Qb7+ for White ?

Caruana does not cover this move in his annotations

Nov-23-16
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  Eyal: <Deffi> From what I've seen with an engine, 51.Qb7+ is holding. If Black retreats with the knight and plays 51...Nf7 then after 52.Qa6 White has e5 (which he really should have played on move 49) as resource in various lines. Also, in case of 52...h5, 53.h4! seems to be ok now.
Nov-23-16  mistreaver: Pokemon and atheism, Kasparov and Magnus, psychology and chess game analysis = probably too long post about the 8th game. http://www.chessentials.com/carlsen...
Nov-23-16  Open Defence: thanks <Eyal>

this confirms that this game was rather complicated and unclear.. those criticizing Magnus for not taking the draw should rather applaud him for trying to complicate matters and giving us an interesting game

Karjakin's assessment that the position was unclear was spot on

Nov-23-16  Sally Simpson: Hi Zanibar,

Good link.

Carlsen sat there going though all the after game torments that only a player who has tried to win a drawn game knows.

It's an truly awful feeling. These are:

'I'm never going to chess again moments.'

You see him asks the girl to go and get Karjakin...then he walks out.

----

Hi AK,

You joined C.G. just to pull me up on a misplaced apostrophe. (twice) I'm honoured and I'm in the 99.99% crowd.

Thank's.

Nov-23-16  Ulhumbrus: It would be interesting to know what Carlsen's own explanation is.

One example of a guess is as follows.

Carlsen tried to test Karjakin's knowledge and skill.

There was just one thing wrong with this plan: Carlsen tried it in time pressure, and that turned the game into a lottery.

Even if Karjakin omitted to consider more than Carlsen omitted to consider there was no guarantee that the things which Karjakin omitted to consider would be more serious than the things which Carlsen omitted to consider.

This suggests that it is inadvisable to try this in time pressure.

Nov-23-16
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  OhioChessFan: Someone help me. From Caruana's analysis, Black has just made his 34th move, Ne4, this is a good position for Black?


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Nov-23-16
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  OhioChessFan: http://en.chessbase.com/post/newsbl... is the link.
Nov-23-16
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  zanzibar: <OpenDefense> thanks in return. I see that <Boomie> had earlier also recommended Caruana's piece:

Carlsen vs Karjakin, 2016 (kibitz #1199)

* * * * *

<OCF> Well, White could go B+N for R+P, but the g2-bishop isn't doing much, and Black has the connected passers.

Otherwise, Black can reinforce with ...f5 or remaneuver with ....Nc3 - where the engine gives equality.

I wonder if Caruana is right saying no GM would play it? I think it might suggest itself to someone looking to maximize the Q-side pawn play.

But I'm far from a GM (or IM, or ...).

Nov-23-16  Boomie: <OhioChessFan: Someone help me. From Caruana's analysis, Black has just made his 34th move, Ne4, this is a good position for Black?>

The Fabulous one wrote that this was an engine move which humans would never find over the board. I suggest using an engine to analyze it. I'm not sure what black has after white takes the piece.

Nov-23-16
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  zanzibar: Or I could say, strong locked centralized knights, with threat of b3-fork.

Yes, Black is OK here.

Amazing the play the c5-knight gets in this game.

(In prev post - connected passers is a slight overstatement, of course)

Nov-23-16  apexin: This reminds me of a game i watched in FIDE tournament few weeks ago. (That Kevin Arkill won) the position after 19.Nb5 is critical right?
Nov-23-16  MariusDaniel: Interesting chess game in the WCC Match!
Nov-24-16  talwnbe4: 35. c5?? is the move that does Carlsen in.. Carlsen isn't playing that well right now.
Nov-24-16
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  Mateo: <http://www.newsinenglish.no/2016/11...> <Norway’s reigning chess champion, threatened with losing his crown after a shocking loss in New York Monday night, was being roundly blasted as a “bad loser” on Tuesday morning. After storming out of the obligatory press conference that follows all matches at the World Chess Championships, Carlsen now faces a hefty fine and, worse, a loss of respect.>
Nov-26-16  SpiritedReposte: What a nutty final batteried position of Karjakin. His king completely in the open yet protected from checks. I can see why Magnus was p####d lol
Nov-26-16
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  bubuli55: < Nov-23-16 OhioChessFan: Someone help me. From Caruana's analysis, Black has just made his 34th move, Ne4, this is a good position for Black? >

< OCF > How's it going? I checked out that position in question and it seems White has 35.Bxe4 Nxe4 36.Rxe4 and Black is down a piece.

Consider this 34...Ne4 35.Bxe4 Nb3! 36.Qf2 Nxd4 37.Qxd4 Qb3

Essentially Black gives up N+B for White R. And Black probably can capitalize on its passed a pawn. That's probably what the computer has dialed in. I don't know.

I took the liberty of putting an exclamation point after 35...Nb3 just because. :)

Nov-26-16
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  perfidious: <Geoff....Hi AK,

You joined C.G. just to pull me up on a misplaced apostrophe. (twice) I'm honoured and I'm in the 99.99% crowd.

Thank's.>

Here is another common faux pas:

Your welcome. (laughs)

Nov-26-16
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  bubuli55: < OCF > 35...Nb3 doesn't work if White B is on g2. This sequence is if White decided to advance its e-pawn. Black will find its N on h5. Not a good square. So in lieu of that Black has that option to exchange.
Dec-03-16  capanegra: 51...h5!! was the best move of the match IMHO. I wonder if White is in zugzwang after that. Better said: if Carlsen had the right to pass, could he save the game?
Dec-04-16
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  Eyal: <capanegra: 51...h5!! was the best move of the match IMHO. I wonder if White is in zugzwang after that. Better said: if Carlsen had the right to pass, could he save the game?>

No - 51...h5 is not just a waiting move. It has defensive purposes - preventing Qg4+ and in some lines allowing the king a safe square on h6 with the knight on g6 shielding it; and also an attacking purpose - creating threats on the white's king position with ...h4 (which is probably why Carlsen played 52.h4 himself).

If it's Black's turn to move in the position after 51...h5 he wins by 52...Qc3 (with the idea of Qb2 and marching the a-pawn) 53.Qe7+ Nf7 54.Qa7 (or 54.e5 a2 55.e6 Qf6!):


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And here, with the white pawn on h4 it would be a draw. But with Black to move there's 54...h4! 55.gxh4 Qb2 56.e5 a2 57.e6 Qe5+ gaining a crucial tempo, since next move the a-pawn queens with check.

So Carlsen played 52.h4, but with the black knight still on e5 it fatally weakened g4 and allowed Black the winning continuation of the game (because of 53.Qxa2 Ng4+ etc.).

Dec-04-16  capanegra: Many thanks <Eval>. Very clear, as usual.

So it might not be a Reti move, but still I like 51...h5 as my favorite nove of the match. :)

Jan-03-17  Captain Hindsight: Carlsen kind of reminds me of http://www.freedomthirtyfiveblog.co...
Jan-08-17
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  thegoodanarchist: <Luke108: Whoever wins the first game will win the tournament>

Um, no. And it wasn't even a tournament!

Feb-18-17
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  cormier: -7.09 53. Qxa2 Ng4+ 54. Kh3 Qg1 55. Bf3 Nf2+ 56. Qxf2 Qxf2 57. Bxh5 Qf1+ 58. Kh2 Qd3 59. Kg2 Qc2+ 60. Kf1 Qh2 61. g4 Qh1+ 62. Ke2 Qxe4+ 63. Kf2 Qh1 64. Kg3 Qe1+ 65. Kg2 Qxh4 66. Kf3 Qg5 67. Ke4 Kf6 68. Kd4 Qe5+ 69. Kc4 Qe4+ 70. Kc5 Ke5 71. Kb5 Qd5+ 72. Kb4 Kf6 73. Kc3 Kg5 74. Kb4 Qd4+ 75. Kb3 Qd3+ 76. Kb4 Qc2 77. Kb5

-7.12 53. Qa6 Qd4 54. Qxa2 Ng4+ 55. Kh3 Qg1 56. Bf3 Nf2+ 57. Qxf2 Qxf2 58. Bxh5 Qf1+ 59. Kh2 Qd3 60. Kg2 Qc2+ 61. Kf1 Qh2 62. g4 Qh1+ 63. Ke2 Qxe4+ 64. Kf2 Qh1 65. Kg3 Qe1+ 66. Kg2 Qxh4 67. Kf3 Qg5 68. Ke4 Kf6 69. Kd4 Qe5+ 70. Kc4 Qe4+ 71. Kc5 Ke5 72. Kb5 Qd5+ 73. Kb4 Kf6 74. Kc3 Kg5 75. Kb4 Qd4+ 76. Kb3 Qe5 77. Kc4 Kf6 78. Kb4 Qd4+ 79. Kb5

#-8 53. Kh3 a1Q 54. Qf5 Qcc1 55. Qf2 Ng4 56. Qf3 Qd2 57. Qxg4+ hxg4+ 58. Kxg4 Qe5 59. Kh3 Qe1 60. g4 Q5g3#

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