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Sergey Karjakin vs Magnus Carlsen
Carlsen - Karjakin World Championship Match (2016), New York, NY USA, rd 11, Nov-26
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Nov-26-16  savagerules: Karjakin playing super safe. Not a good idea, Carlsen will get white one last time and even if he doesn't win on Monday he'll be a heavy favorite to win the tie-break.
Nov-26-16  Granny O Doul: <Richard Taylor> Where Appaz said "Carlsen has shown nerves", he meant nervousness, rather than strong nerves. The context makes this clear.

I remember Kasparov telling interviewers that chess is an art, and that it is therefore as likely that a computer would write better than Tolstoy as beat the best human player at chess. I doubt he believed that himself, but likely felt it incumbent on him as world chess champion to talk that way.

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  Appaz: <Granny O Doul> Yes, that was what I meant. Thanks for making my post understandable.

Sorry for the confusion <Richard Taylor>.

Nov-26-16  Shams: "Show nerves" = be nervous
"show/have nerve" = be brave

Once again I'd like to apologize for the English language.

Nov-26-16  Atking: <He nearly beat Carlsen in one Ruy Lopez game (game 9 I think it was) so I think he is doing the right thing.> I could agree with the rest of your comment <Richard Taylor> the match is still open. But the game 9 it's one move to find Qb3! instead of Bxf7+!? with a clear advantage no more (Approximatively of pawn value) far to be "winning". Except this move in a reciprocal time pressure, White has all the game a pleasant edge but no more. Magnus's chance in games 3 and 4 were clearly more realistic.
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  Check It Out: <Once again I'd like to apologize for the English language.>

Because it can't apologize for itself?

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  zanzibar: <"has some nerve">

can mean to be brave, as in land of the free.

E.g. "He showed great nerve in speaking up against the bully."

But it can also mean something more akin to <audacious>, specifically the 2nd definition:

<2: contemptuous of law, religion, or decorum : insolent>

E.g. "The dinner guest had the nerve to criticize the quality of the wine served to the host." "Really? Some nerve!"

Nov-26-16  sp12: Was there some analysis on why white did not play 25.Qf5?, and keep trying to go for a Q exchange?
Nov-26-16  jerseybob: <jerseybob: 29..Rf8!?> Oh God, hallucination!
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  The Boomerang: " 12 games is a joke for a WC. Kasparov vs Karpov, 1990 was 24 games."

Everyone except the organisers think its a joke....could it have something to do with the cost per day of hosting the event?...Maybe its simply a business decision and nothing to do with fairness to the players.

Nov-26-16  The Kings Domain: I have a feeling this match will end with the knockout speed matches, where Carlsen will have an edge.
Nov-26-16  The Kings Domain: Hawkman: Very true. Probably the reason why we see Carlsen and Karjakin playing cautiously and getting the resulting draws is because they're afraid of taking risks. In a 12 game format one loss can be Armageddon. In 24 games the players can afford to relax and stretch out a bit more, resulting in better games. I doubt that Fischer and the two K's would have played as well as they did in their championship matches with the current ridiculous system.
Nov-26-16  activechess55:

Judit Polgar says "19...d5! is the kind of move that's made Carlsen the world champion."

Say 'Amen' to that.

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  Sally Simpson: Hi Appaz:

"Poor Sally is stuck in a small room with a lot of screens, but no chess on them."

It was alright, good fun, a Saturday night always is.

I watched all the football on the telly ten they switched to American Football. The Vikings v The Lions. (noted the chess connection - Carlsen the Viking and Karjakin the Lion....who won I missed the end.)

One of the drivers is keen on chess, he kept me updated.

There is a good stat for someone who likes good stats. One in 410 taxi drivers follows the World Chess Championship.

I've not read any of the threads, just copied the game and noted it up and posted it.

What are people saying about 18.h3 that had me wobbling and I hope some sharp eyed dog mentioned here.

Karjakin to play.

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If 27.Kf2 to gang up on the e-pawn then Qe3 mate.

If not then why not....too silly. I found this on RHP.

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White played 22.Kf2.

And so to bed - see you all in time for Game 12.

Nov-27-16  bubuli55: < Nov-26-16 Hawkman: 12 games is a joke for a WC. Kasparov vs Karpov, 1990 was 24 games. >

But this is #1 Magnus vs #9 Sergey. The thought process was that this championship is over in 10 games. MC 6.5 - SK 3 . Admit it.

Nov-27-16  SandyJames: This is for newbies like me - Daniel King explains 20 Bg5 in his video and I really understood the variations.

It starts around 4:15

Nov-27-16  bl0w: Why isn't Rf8 after 29. Qc6 good for black?
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  cormier: game 11
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  cormier: <bl0w: Why isn't Rf8 after 29. Qc6 good for black?> 30.Qe6+ and the e2 pawn is lost ...
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  cormier: oups .....
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  cormier: <bl0w: Why isn't Rf8 after 29. Qc6 good for black?> 30 Qe4
Nov-28-16  1971: Maybe CG calls this one Gnats and Elephants....?

Smh, do better cg, do better.

Nov-28-16  hudman653: What's wit all the Ruy Lopez openings..Getting kind of boring..Would like to see some QGD and Sicilians
Nov-28-16  bl0w: <cormier> black queen is covering 30.Qe6+ but I guess 30.Qe4 gets it. And Rf1 does not go anywhere.
Dec-03-16  Everett: <memberNov-26-16 zanzibar: Everybody knew computers would win out in tactics very early on. Humans long-ago mimicked computer-style play by memorizing opening lines (aka preparation).

So the last hold-out was the endgame, where table-bases basically altered the balance of power (as well as iterative deepening I think).

All the heuristics and mythology we developed for strategic middle-game was basically shown to be delusional up against concrete analysis.

And the GM's knew this too.>

Disagree. The internal visual and verbal language used to describe strategic middle-game patterns help human brains find the right path. They are not delusional at all.

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