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Magnus Carlsen vs Sergey Karjakin
Carlsen - Karjakin World Championship (2016), New York, NY USA, rd 13, Nov-30
Italian Game: Italian Variation (C50)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Nov-30-16  Sally Simpson: Sergey give up the chess and go in goal for Manchester United....What a Save!!

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Carlsen's missed win


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73.Be6+ Kh8 then Bf8 and Bf7 and Bxg7 mate can only be stopped by Black playing Rxf7.

Nov-30-16
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  john barleycorn: <Sally Simpson: Sergey give up the chess and go in goal for Manchester United....What a Save!!>

hahaha better than *Calamity Carlsen*

Nov-30-16  sambo: 37. Nxg5 will go down as a great missed move
Nov-30-16  Edeltalent: <DirkMcCallahan: <Domdaniel: Anyone *still* object to the format?>

Yep. This was an exciting game, to be sure, and I'd love for there to be more high-profile rapids matches/tourneys, but this is no way to determine the World Chess Champion.>

Well said, I second that.

Nov-30-16  izimbra: Stockfish thinks that theoretically, White could play <62.Kf7> eventually win, but it the lines are *super* tactical. I honestly doubt that Carlsen or any other GM could reliably win that ending against an engine even at regular time controls. Still interesting to look at.


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Nov-30-16  jerseybob: 57.Bc4+ followed by Be3, hanging onto the f-pawn for a little while longer, might be better.
Nov-30-16  mikealando: <Sergey give up the chess and go in goal for Manchester United....What a Save!!> hahaha! (My poor manu. but we're on the upward). What a thriller of a chess final. That save by Karjakin was simply stunning.
Nov-30-16  The Kings Domain: Fine defensive endgame skill displayed by Karjakin.
Nov-30-16
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  zanzibar: Whenever Nigel picks up the topic of eliminating the stalemate in chess, please mention this game will ya?
Dec-01-16  AlicesKnight: Comments of several above are correct - this was not perfect defence but showed a wonderful fighting spirit to frustrate his opponent. Lasker would be proud of it.
Dec-01-16
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  David2009: Was there really a White win at move 73 (<SallySimpson>)?


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Carlsen-Karjakin 73?

I have set it up in Crafty End Game Trainer:
http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t...

and the robot defends stoutly: e.g. 73.Be6+ Kh8 74.Bf8 f5! 75.gxf5 h5! and I can't make progress. Can anyone else do better?

Dec-01-16  talwnbe4: 73. Be6+ Kh8 74. Bf8 f5 75. gxf5 h5 76. f6
Dec-01-16  That Roger: White 77 Bishop F7?
Dec-02-16  talwnbe4: 73. Be6+ Kh8 74. Bf8 f5 75. gxf5 h5 76. f6 wins immediately since gxf6 is forced and then Bf7 threatens mate..so then Rxf7 is forced
Dec-03-16  Steve.Patzer: Can someone explain why on move 37 Carlsen could have won had he not offered the exchange of Queens?
Dec-03-16
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  Eyal: <Can someone explain why on move 37 Carlsen could have won had he not offered the exchange of Queens?>

It's not exactly winning by force, but he could have won the e5 pawn with an ongoing strong attack and without exchanging queens: 37.Ng5! Qc4 (37...hxg5? 38.Qh7+ Kf8 39.Qh8+ Ng8 40.Bc5+ Re7 41.Bh7) 38.Bh7+ Kf8 39.Ne4! (with the threat Nd6, among other things) 39...Qe6 40.Nc5 Qd5 41.Qxe5! (41...Qxe5? 42.Nd7#).

Dec-03-16  izimbra: <David2009: Was there really a White win at move 73 (<SallySimpson>)?

I have set it up in Crafty End Game Trainer:
http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t...

and the robot defends stoutly: e.g. 73.Be6+ Kh8 74.Bf8 f5! 75.gxf5 h5! and I can't make progress. Can anyone else do better?>

Stockfish declares mate 22 in the initial position. The continuation where Black holds out longest, starting from where you leave off is: <76. f6 gxf6 77. Bf7 Rxf7 78.Kxf7 f5 79.Bf6 Kh7 80.Bf4 Kh8 81. Kg6 Kg8 82.Kxh5...> Seems like Crafty would have found that line from the position you left off at. The material of the pawn sacrific is returned within 2 moves to prevent mate.

Dec-03-16  mistreaver: I have discovered a very nice win on the move 75. I think that 75 Bc5! instead of 75 Ba3? would have won for Carlsen. Consider the position after 75 Bc5!


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And now Black cannot dislodge the bishop from e6: A) 75... Kh8 76 Be6 Rc7 77 Bf8
B) 75... Rb5 76 Be6+ Kh8 77 Bf8
There only remains
C) 75 ... Rb8 76 h5 Ra8
and now the amazing 77 g5!! wins
For more detailed analysis, please check http://www.chessentials.com/carlsen...

Dec-03-16
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  Bubo bubo: The first stalemate in a WC game?!
Dec-03-16
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  Gregor Samsa Mendel: <Bubo bubo>--I know of this one:

Korchnoi vs Karpov, 1978

There may be others.

Dec-05-16
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  Richard Taylor: <technical draw: <Richard Taylor> . They call it the World series because anyone in the world can play in the major leagues. (I just made that up)> Lol! Fair enough. It seems to be the main sport in the US. I read Richard Ford's 'The Sportswriter' which is a great book. It is ironic as the sports writer isn't very interested in sports! His interview with a famous crippled old (I forget whether gridiron or baseball) is very funny (even though he is in a wheel chair the old battler (he's gone mad) is frightening!...but the book I liked as he gets inside the character, and the protagonist has the theory that 'certain things should remain unknown' about one's girlfriend, ex wife, life, geography, science etc It is quite a strange and sometimes moving book.
Dec-05-16
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  Richard Taylor: <Gregor Samsa Mendel: <Bubo bubo>--I know of this one: Korchnoi vs Karpov, 1978

There may be others.>

It's funny the way that ends. Korchnoi was always angry at Karpov but he seems to be saying "o.k., you want to play games, take this you little Fjk!"

Dec-05-16
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  WorstPlayerEver: Yeah, where does one have two Bishops for?
Jun-22-17  Howard: This just in....the latest issue of NIC #4 states that 75.Bd6! would have won.

If, by some chance, this has already been pointed out in the previous 8-10 pages, I apologize, but I don't have the will to go through all that commentary right now.

Jun-25-17  Howard: Oops !!!!
Make that 75.Bc5! I'd made a typo.

Funny...no one has commented on this, though.

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