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Dhulipalla Bala Chandra Prasad vs Vitalijs Samolins
PRO Chess League (Eastern) (2017)  ·  Dutch Defense: General (A80)  ·  1-0
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Mar-20-17  zb2cr: Variation on smothered mate! 28. Qg8+, Rxg8; 29. Rxg8#.

First, perhaps?

Mar-20-17  zb2cr: First, definitely!
Mar-20-17  stacase: Well, that took about two seconds
Mar-20-17
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  Gregor Samsa Mendel: Black was outplayed here from start to finish.
Mar-20-17
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: Interesting use of the London System (Bf4) vs. the Dutch Defense. Challenging the Bishop with ...e7-e5 by means of some combination of ...d6, ...Nbd7 and ...Qa5 might have improved. After 18.Ne4! Black has already come very close to a hopeless position.
Mar-20-17  ChessHigherCat: Interesting smothered mate position on steroids. Besides 28. Qg8+, mate is unstoppable after 28. Nf7+ Qxf7 29. Qxf7. The question is how black got in such an awful position, but I'm sure we've all been sucked into that sort of apocalyptic not-so-grand finale before.
Mar-20-17  ChessHigherCat: 24. Re8!! is like some kind of supercomputer move. If 24...Rxe8 then the follow up most be 25. Nxc6 Rxc6 and white doesn't even bother to take the rook: 27. Qd5+ Kh8 28. Nf7+ Kg8 29. Nh6+ Kg8 30. Qg8 Rxg8 31. Nf7# (classic smothered mate) or if Kf8 Qf7#
Mar-20-17  stst: Smothered by Q-sac:
28.Qg8+ RxQ (forced)
29.RxR# supported by N
Mar-20-17
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  lost in space: No smothered mate this time on my beloved Monday.

28. Qg8+ Rxg8 (forced) 29. Rxg8#

Mar-20-17  saturn2: Mate in 2 on g8
Mar-20-17
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  agb2002: White has a knight for a bishop.

Black threatens Rxe8 and Q(g)xh6.

White can deliver mate in two with 28.Qg8+ Rxg8 29.Rxg8#.

Mar-20-17  sid299792: My first thought was Nf7+ QxN QxQ with mate to follow. But I guess Qg8+ works as well
Mar-20-17  Kafelnikov64: Ayer 28. Nf7+,Kg8; 29. Nh6+,Kh8 we are back in the initial position.
Mar-20-17
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  Geronimo: 24.Re8 is the really brutal move. Sad thing is, after 14.Na5 black probably chuckled "got this" to himself.
Mar-20-17  radtop: The puzzle was simple. It was the journey getting there that was interesting.
Mar-20-17  AlicesKnight: 28.Qg8+ with mate next move. Pretty variant on Philidor's legacy. <ChessHigherCat:> Doesn't 24....Rxe8; 25.Qb3+ lead to the mate faster?
Mar-20-17
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  Infohunter: Philidor's Legacy run-up, finishing with an Arabian Mate.
Mar-20-17
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  Once: <ChessHigherCat: 24. Re8!! is like some kind of supercomputer move. If 24...Rxe8 then the follow up most be 25. Nxc6 ....>

There is a faster way. If black had played 24...Rxe8


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... white mates with 25. Qb3+. The finish would be something like this:

25. Qb3+ Re6 26. Qxe6+ Kh8 27. Nf7+ Kg8 28. Nxd8+ Kh8 29. Qe8+ Nf8 30. Qxf8#

It's a fascinating game to play through. Black struggles with a common problem in the Dutch - it's not always easy to get your queenside pieces out.

Mar-20-17
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  Abdel Irada: ∞

<<+> Rook at it like this: An X-ray spectacle <+>>

At first glance, this resembles a classic smothered mate: Philidor's Legacy.

(Or, as my late friend Don Gardiner used to call it, "Smothers Brothers.")

But there are two differences:

<<+> 28. Qg8+, Rxg8 >

Now here, in a PL, is where we'd triumphantly drop the knight on an undefended f7 with mate. But f7 *isn't* defended; the queen is watching it. (Difference #1.)

However, this doesn't matter, because our rook was watching g8 through the rook on f8. (Difference #2.) Taking *on* f8 would have been pointless, because the queen defended. But on g8, the black rook is undefended, so:

<<+> 29. Rxg8# >

and Black is just as dead.

But what to call this mating pattern? A smothered Arabian? An Arabian Legacy?

What would Don Gardiner say?

Mar-20-17  morfishine: <28.Qg8+> and whatever you want to call it, Black ends up smothered, much like chicken-fried steak, smothered in gravy

*****

Mar-20-17
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  Abdel Irada: ∞

I've eaten chicken-fried steak *once*, when I was in the Navy on the USS Mars.

The breaded coating tasted fine, but the texture of the meat inside resembled a Goodyear product.

Mar-20-17  ChessHigherCat: <AlicesKnight>: Doesn't 24....Rxe8; 25.Qb3+ lead to the mate faster?> Yes, as pointed out once by <AlicesKnight> and then twice by <Once>, 25. Qb3+ is faster, but you have to admit that White's disdain of taking either of the rooks en prise with 26. Qd5+ is pretty (or at least pretty anti-materialistic)
Mar-20-17  LIzzard: Spent too much time on this wanting the smothered mate - sigh...
Mar-20-17  RandomVisitor: I have a simple set of guidelines for solving the Monday puzzle:

1. Try to sacrifice the queen.

2. Try harder to sacrifice the queen.

3. Try to sacrifice a rook.

4. Try to sacrifice a bishop.

5. Try to sacrifice a knight.

I solved the puzzle when I got to step 2...

Mar-20-17  TheTamale: Thanks to <ChessHigherCat> for explaining why Black doesn't just play 24) Rxe8.
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