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Wesley So vs Shakhriyar Mamedyarov
Gashimov Memorial (2017), Shamkir AZE, rd 1, Apr-21
Scotch Game: Mieses Variation (C45)  ·  0-1


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Apr-22-17  SirRuthless: WILL THOSE INVOLVED TAKE THE FAMILY DRAMA AND BICKERING TO THE SO PAGE PLEASE? No offense intended but that sort of drama is not our business and it does not belong on this page. Thanks you.
Apr-22-17  devere: <SirRuthless: WILL THOSE INVOLVED TAKE THE FAMILY DRAMA AND BICKERING TO THE SO PAGE PLEASE? No offense intended but that sort of drama is not our business and it does not belong on this page. Thanks you.>

You perhaps have forgotten that the So page has had many posters banned from using that page.

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  Sally Simpson: Hi Sir Ruthless,

Devere is correct, hence my 'Phantom Zone' joke. I find them quite amusing at times. Yes it is silly and sadly predictable but sometimes I get a chuckle. Monks having sex was quite funny.

Apr-23-17  mistreaver: It would appear that on the 31th move Black has the stronger 31... Kb8. It is not entirely clear why that is a better move, but let us continue the variation with 32 b4 Bd4 33 Qd3 as in the game:

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Now, Black can continue with 33... g4!
because after 34 b5 f3+ 35 gxf3 gxf3+ 36 Qxf3

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There is no check on c6, and after 36... Rf8 Black wins.

I made a detailed analysis of the game at my blog:

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  patzer2: Here's my look at this game, which broke So's recent hot winning streak, with the opening explorer and Deep Fritz 15:

<1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nxc6 bxc6 6. e5 Qe7 7. Qe2 Nd5 8. Nd2> The popular move and my preference is 8. c4 as in White's win in Kasparov vs Karpov, 1991

<8... a5 9. c4 Nb6 10. b3> A good alternative IMO is 10. Qe3 = freeing up the Bishop on f1.

<10... a4 11. Bb2 axb3 12. axb3 Rxa1+ 13. Bxa1 Qa3 14. Qd1 Bb4 15. Bd3 Qa5 16. Ke2 d6 17. Qc2 dxe5 18. Bb2 Qc5 19. Nf3 Bg4 20. Bxh7 Nd7 21. Bf5 Bxf3+ 22. Kxf3 g6 23. Bxd7+ Kxd7 24. Qe4> Stronger here appears to be 24. Qe2 Re8 25. g3 e4+ 26. Kg2 Qf5 27. Bd4 .

<24... Re8 25. Ke2 Kc8 26. Rd1 f5 27. Qh4 Qe7 28. Qg3 g5 29. Bc3 Bc5 30. Bd2 f4 31. Qh3+ Kb7 32. b4 Bd4 33. Qd3 Rd8 34. b5 Qe6 35. bxc6+ Kxc6 36. f3 Rb8 37. Be1> A good option IMO is 37. Kf1 Rb2 38. h3 Kb7 39. Be1 Kc8 40. Rd2 Rb4 41. Rc2 =.

<37... g4 38. Rd2?!> Better according to the computers is 38. fxg4 Qxg4+ 39. Kf1 Rg8 40. Qe4+ Kd7 =.

<38... gxf3+ 39. Qxf3+??> This is the decisive mistake. Instead, White can hold on with 39. gxf3 =.

<39... e4!> This wins on the spot. White resigns in lieu of the threats 40. Qa3 (40. Qxf4 Qxc4+ 41. Kd1 Rb1#) 40... Qxc4+ 41. Kd1 Rb1+ 42. Qc1 Rxc1#.

Apr-24-17  Fiona Macleod: 'Twas not a "winning streak" but just a non-losing streak--mostly draws and some occasional wins
Apr-24-17  gokusano: Actually, white is in no problem at all situation, not until that Qxg3 booboo. The one of a kind blunder must have happened to spank the ego of the arrogant residents of the "messiah's" page. Napakasakit talaga. Now, let's witness the torturing moves being employed one by one by the great Topalov. Let's see what will happen.
Apr-24-17  Pulo y Gata: It looks like another draw me.
Apr-25-17  Ulhumbrus: 16 Ke2 is a sign that things have gone wrong for White, giving up the right to castle
Apr-28-17  Scarborough shoal: WS was not ready for the Scotch.
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  ChessHigherCat: <Scarborough shoal: WS was not ready for the Scotch.> I bet he hit the bottle pretty hard after the game though.
Apr-29-17  Scarborough shoal: <ChessHigherCat> What is the meaning your name?
Apr-29-17  Pulo y Gata: I love Alice
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  ChessHigherCat: <Scarborough shoal: <ChessHigherCat> What is the meaning your name?>

It's a pun on Chessire Cat (, which I thought was obvious, but I would have spelled it "ChessIreCat" if I had known how many numbskulls would miss the pun and take offense: "Oh so you think you are higher than I am!"

Apr-29-17  Retireborn: <ChessHigherCat> Sadly, a number of people think my name means I'm born retired, not Reti reborn.
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  ChessHigherCat: <retireborn" Aha, you're the reincarnation of Reti! Did the Tibetan monks seek you out with prayer wheels when you were a baby? Were your first words "Knight f5, c3, c4"? "What the hell is that kid saying?" "How should I know, something about 'see three, see four'". Tell her to shut up, will you, I'm trying to watch the Super Bowl!"
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  tamar: Bingo. I did think Retireborn was Retire Born, and ChessHigherCat was taking on airs.

tamar is just short for tamarack, a tree that is now rare in Indiana

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  Gregor Samsa Mendel: <tamar>--So you're not the mother of the lead singer of The Bangles?

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  tamar: <Gregor Samsa Mendel> not unless her mother was her father
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  ChessHigherCat: <Tamar> I remember once when I was an undergraduate I was having dinner with some "new age" people and this guy gave me a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for a pun:

Sprinkling some tamara sauce on his kasha, he said: "I don't know what I'd do without tamara". "Simple", I replied. "You'd eat like there's no tammara'.

I just checked on Google and the main spelling is "tamari sauce" but "tamara" looks like a common alternate spelling and that's how everybody pronounced it back then. "Like there's no tomorry" would work, too, with a Slim Pickens accent.

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  tamar: <ChessHigherCat> There used to be a Professor Samora from India who was a friend of my friend and invited for Thanksgiving

I was awaiting the opportunity to ask "Samora the turkey?" but got cold feet.

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  ChessHigherCat: <tamar I was awaiting the opportunity to ask "Samora the turkey?" but got cold feet.>

And a good thing, too! He probably would have reacted like the guy in this joke:

The principal calls a depressed little boy with a wooden eye to his office and says, "I'm really sorry you don't have a date for the prom. Tommy, why don't you ask Sally with the harelip to accompany you, I'm sure she'd love to go".

So the boy walks up to her shyly and asks: "Sally, would you like to go to the prom?" Bursting with joy she cries out: "Would I? Would I" Tommy slaps her in the face and retorts: "Hare lip! Hare lip!

In French they talk about "l'esprit de l'escalier", meaning some witty reply you should have made at the party but it's too late now because you're already in the stairway. Anyway, from my experience, on the rare occasions when I did think of the perfect repartee at the right time people held a grudge against me forever.

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  tamar: That's quite true, CHC. My greatest ripostes are met with strange looks.

A box came from Belize with carved egrets for a birthday party. But it had no card.

My friend was happy to get them from her friend Sally, but said she would have even more liked to hear from her.

I thought for awhile while the party went on, and then pointed to the birds and said, "Oh well, she couldn't come herself, but sent her egrets"

She stared at me, and said, "it took you 15 minutes to think of that?"

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  ChessHigherCat: <tamar> LOL. Pearls before swine.
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  moronovich: <Sprinkling some tamara sauce on his kasha, he said: "I don't know what I'd do without tamara". "Simple", I replied. "You'd eat like there's no tammara'.>

Brilliant !

Like my old indian mentor said:Tamara never comes,it is always now !

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